The following is a description of Jayadvaita Swami demanding a private meeting with me at the in March of 2004 at the annual ISKCON Mayapur Festival at Sridharma Mayapur, West Bengal, India, and what happened, “behind closed doors…”
In 2004 I attended the Mayapur Festival for the first time in many years in 2004 as I had some service to do there for ITV [ISKCON television].
Jayadvaita Swami was chasing me at mangal aroti and whenever he saw me walking around the temple grounds. I was avoiding him, but finally he aproached me and said rather roughly “I want to talk to you!”
He wanted me to go to his room but I said it is nice here, why not talk here in the park? He didn’t like that idea but we talked for a while there. He was very rough, demanding that he is a senior devotee. He told me that I should surrender to him and accept whatever he has done to Srila Prabhupada’s books, he demanding that I take down all my websites and publish widely letters apologizing to him and endorsing his “Revised and Enlarged” versions of Srila Prabhupada’s books.
All the time he was saying “come to my room…” So finally, out of curiosity as to what he had in store for me in his room, I did.
When we got to his room all hell broke loose. He was screaming and shouting “shithead, shithead, shithead… why don’t you accept me as your authority… Take down all your websites.” He was so crazy I really was very shocked. He was pounding me with his fists and kicking me and hitting the walls and kicking the furniture around all the time to the “shithead, shithead, shithead” mantra. And sometimes he would become tired and lie down on his bed to re-gather his energy.
It is not that he physically hurt me. His punches were very light and I could hardly feel his kicks. I did not end up with any bruises or anything. But it was really an amazing sight to see…
I was just sitting there chanting Hare Krishna completely stunned. I had no idea at all that JAS was so crazy. There is no question in my mind now, he is completely insane. He is supposed to be a swami, one who is the master of his senses but his is completely out of control. He let me know in no uncertain terms that it was only because of three crazy devotees that his book editing was ever challenged. He named them: Kirtanananda, Hansadutta and me. He told me for years he has been trying to destroy my preaching. We saw that recently in LA. He tried to poison so many devotees against me. Yadubara and many others. But somehow his actions have not had much effect.
Ultimately I left his room, completely shocked. I could never believe he would act like this. He was still waving his arms around “shithead, shithead, shithead.” Anyhow he is very afraid of Hansadutta Prabhu and by Krishna’s arrangement Bhakti Charu Swami paid Hansadutta’s airfare to Mayapur to give him some inspiration for the animation project he plans to start in Mayapur. He arrived here the morning after JAS’s “shithead, shithead, shithead” explosion.
Hansadutta said the first person he saw here was JAS when he saw him he looked like he had seen a ghost. JAS tried to attack Hansadutta, that he [JAS] was a BBT trustee. That is as far as he got and Hansadutta completely demolished him. So we have not seen JAS since them. How on earth can ISKCON have such crazy people in such high positions. It is insane. Hansadutta says I should have recorded it and posted it on the internet then everyone could see what sort of “swami” he is.
JAS admitted finally during the “shithead, shithead” conversation that there was never a complete list of the changes to the Gita circulated to the devotees. Only a list of changes to the translations. He also admitted and we know it that the changes to the purports are “very extensive.” And to this day the only person who is aware of these extensive changes to Prabhupada’s purports is JAS. No one else has ever seen them or knows what they are or review them. He also expressed his disgust that Prabhupada’s original books are being printed and distributed and said, “It’s only the ritviks who are buying them.” [which is of course competely untrue. There is nothing that unites the devotees of all camps more than everyone’s desire to read Srila Prabhupada’s original books…]
Please see the following email exchange with Jayadvaita Swami where he admits that all I have said above is true.
For the record, since this meeting, Jayadvaita has been a perfect gentleman and “very sweet” to me. Always praising my determination and dedication to Srila Prabhupada… But I think this is only a show… Deep down in his heart he still does not like me very much…
In the email discussion below my [Madhudvisa’s] comments are in blue and Jayadvaita’s comments are in black.
From Madhuvisa:
Dear Sir, (Jayadvaita is addressing me as “Sir”?)
> I humbly admit I found it uncomfortable that you yelled at me so much tonight, calling me so many bad names and overall was very rough with me.
You deserved it. And more…
> We are both followers of Srila Prabhupada and we may have different opinions on some points but we should be able to meet in a gentlemanly manner.
You’re twenty years my junior. You claim to be a brahmacari, and I am a sannyasi. You were initiated (if at all) ten years later than me.
And yet you think you’re perfectly within your rights to broadcast to the whole world, “Jayadvaita Swami [is] disobeying Srila Prabhupada’s direct order that he should not change a word in his books” (an order, of course, that Srila Prabhupada never gave me). And still, after publishing this and other such thoroughly rude insults, you somehow believe you’re entitled to be treated “in a gentlemanly manner.” Hmmm. . .
> You are asking me to apologize but I would humbly request some sort of apology from you also. You called me “shit head” so many times, I really do not think that is appropriate.
You’re right. I apologize [for calling you “s…head”]. If I’d used Srila Prabhupada’s language, I would have said you have cow dung for brains.
> I understand you are upset about some of the things I have posted on the net, but on close examination you will find that every posting contains a significant point which we need to consider.
And lots of garbage we don’t. And, by the way, you don’t raise any points that BBT editors and consultants with much finer discretion than you haven’t considered already….
> Just on the few changes we looked at tonight you admitted to three errors you have introduced into the new version and surely if one did a through study there would be many hundreds of new errors.
Two, if I recall. Both of them petty. And I didn’t admit that I introduced them. If you’d been listening, you might have heard that I didn’t know whether the errors were mine or those of a typist.
> The point of my website is to show that in so many ways the philosophy presented in your “Revised and Enlarged” Gita differs substantially from Prabhupada’s original Bhagavad-gita As It Is. And you accept that. I accept that in some cases you have recovered missing things, etc. But overall I can not personally put my faith in your “Revised and Enlarged” Gita and so many devotees feel like this.
I am not in need of your faith, sir. Put it wherever you’d like.
> Your “Revised and Enlarged” Gita rests on your authority. You have decided what to change and what not to change and as we saw there are so many things you could have changed, but have chosen not to, therefore it is all according to your opinion. You have decided what to change and what not to change.
Son, *every* editor decides what to change and what not to change. And your complaint seems to be that my opinions differ from yours. Your opinion is that perhaps fifty of the revisions are justified, the rest not…. Should I feel crushed? Yes, after due deliberation and consultation, I decided what to change and what not to change….
> The point I have made is this is a very dangerous precedent for the future. We have to preserve the original teachings of Srila Prabhupada. And the original Macmillan Gita was accepted by Prabhupada, he did not request anyone to reedit it. That is the main point. If Prabhupada wanted his books reedited that would be a different matter.
> TKG put this question to Srila Prabhupada in the rascal editors conversation, “Can JAS go through and reedit the books?” and Prabhupada’s conclusion was, “No, the next printing should be the original way.” So that is a clear order from Srila Prabhupada NOT to reedit the books. Your interpretation of this is not honest. The original way clearly means the original way the books were printed.
Not honest? Dear Mr. Honesty: I’m sitting here in front of my VedaBase, and I’ll be hog-tied if I see anywhere in that conversation, “Can JAS go through and reedit the books?” You can take your brand of honesty and shove it.
> I think you are a little unfair in so heavily criticizing the articles I have written,
I haven’t criticized them heavily enough.
> Hopefully when we meet again it can be on more gentlemanly terms.
Hopefully when we meet again you will deserve it.
> I am not anything special but I am sincerely trying to serve Srila Prabhupada with all my energy and I do not really find it very comfortable if you just want to yell at me and call me names.
Oh, you’re uncomfortable, are you? Dear, dear! You can dish out insults to your seniors in public, but when your seniors dish it out to you in private, you can’t take it. Poor baby!
> What is the point of this? My points are valid, and you have agreed to that, you have agreed to three errors in just the few verses we looked at tonight, so I humbly submit that all the faults are not on my side. You have to admit that there are some faults on your side also then we can make some progress.
Sir, I don’t have to negotiate with you. You can make progress on your own.
…
Hare Krsna. Yours in Srila Prabhupada’s service, Jayadvaita Swami
[I have deleted some text and the blue is by me – Madhudvisa dasa]
Dear Jayadvaita Swami, (Dear Dryadvaita)
Don’t become Dryadvaita Svami as many are now calling you. Is your idea to dry up all the nectar in our gurudev’s books? You were also there when our gurudev was poisoned. I saw you crying on the final instruction video. I give you the benefit of the doubt that those tears were not crocodile tears. You saw how Prabhupad’s hands & feet were swollen. These are symptoms of a poisoned body.
Some of you may still have connections to your past religions, which might say it is a good deed, a laudable act of bravery, to killeth Srila Prabhupad. Why? Because he had many “other religion” disciples whose parents were extremely upset that their children had given up worldly pursuits in favor of serving the lotus feet of some Hindu God, especially in the form of idol worship. What could be worse?
You spoke to me many things from time to time which I’d dare not repeat but please don’t be a part of the dismantling of the manifest teachings of Srila AC Bhaktivedanta Svami Prabhupad. Please don’t do this. Your first & foremost sisya from Holland, Kadamba Kanana Rasa-Parayana Svami thinks very highly of you but after speaking with him I found him to be chock full of misconceptions.
Literally chock full. He couldn’t be learning these things from you. You used to give such nice Bhagavatam & Gita classes back in 1971. What happened? What went wrong? Peer pressure?
TarunKrsnadas
While going through that email conversation between J and Madhuvisa prabhu, I felt that Jayadvaita’s answers are “typical” of his mood – puffed up, his NASTY-type slice & dice technique. I thought of how (when he was trying to “pull rank” in terms of “I am 10 years your senior IF” – as he said “if” – “you were even initiated, AND his saying, “I am a sannyasi whereas you are a brahmacari.” I felt it was so OBNOXIOUS and I was DISGUSTED!
I was thinking of how Sukadev Goswami was a “junior” to all of the sages who had gathered when Maharaj Pariksit was going to leave the planet, and although Sukadev was their “junior” ALL of them offered RESPECT to Sukadev Goswami, the seat of esteem, AND, they ALL LISTENED to Sukadev Goswami speak the Srimad Bhagavatam, including Srila Vyasadev himself, who was Sukadev Goswami’s father, and from whom, Sukadev had heard the Srimad Bhagavatam.
The FIRST quality of a devotee is HUMILITY. Certainly if Jayadvaita had his disagreements with Madhuvisa prabhu, he could have handled things in a MUCH MORE HUMBLE manner. I was DISGUSTED by seeing what Jayadvaita had written. It seems that some kind of demonic influence has come into the ISKCON hierarchy.
As far as “corrections” to Srila Prabhupada’s books go, SO MANY people became devotees while Srila Prabhupada was on the planet despite whatever so-called “mistakes” in the books, and there is that verse, tad vag visargo… which covers for this.
May we somehow attain the mercy of Srila Prabhupada and that of Sri Krsna.
I remain your servant,
Mahavegavati Dasi
Hare Krsna
My respect to you..MADHUDIVISA..DAS
.It is clear Jayadaita Swami devotee in these regard of your interview with him fell in passion falling from his Spiritual Position…
I HAVE NO DISIRE TO OFEND ANYONE…as you know
Many Sages have fell in errors AND LEFT OTHERS UNSATISFIED by there unilateral disitions and analized what it has caused and changed The Curse of Things…for better….
Here we say if a river makes noise, water it has…meaning something s is going on..THATS NEEDS TO BE SOLVED…
We must acept in a humible state of mind…What other devotee s are thinking…I see it is not evil nor out of order.It is MURARI KRISHNA WISH NOT OURS…TO CLEAN THE HOUSE…not to segragate or brothers no one will enter VRNDAVAN with this idea…krishna is friend of everyone…
We are humans in evolution i see you do not mean to argue..invain…
or to dissacredite anyone….
Many many devotees wish to see Srila PRABHUPAD S TEACHINGS BACK AGAIN…
WITH MORE PAITING.. for the say more thing we can imagine..AS HE DISIRED IN HIS LETTERS…I BEG LORD KRISHNA BHAGAVAN TO RESTORE THE FILOSOFY OF RECONCILIACION BEETWEEN DEVOTEES THE ONLY HARM IS IN THE FUTURE DEVOTEES…CONFUTION…
IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME IF A RECIPE HAS THE THE ORIGINAL INGRIDIANTS IT MUST TASTE VERY GOOD.IF ONE THING IS MISING IT IS ONLY A SHADOW OF THE RECIPE…OUR SPIRITUAL MASTER BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI…LEFT THE RECIPE IN HIS WORDS..WITH SPIRITUAL POWER TO PRODUCE NECTAR…
I BEG YOU PLEASE ALL DEVOTEE IN CHARGE OF ISKON…
RETURN TO PRABHUPAD S TEXTS…
THIS HAS ONLY CAUSED CONFUTION…MAYA..LACK OF SPIRITUAL FRIENDSHIP
EGO PROBLEMS…WHEN THE REAL SUBJECT SHOULD BE REUNITING ALL DEVOTEES
OF LORD CHAITANYA WAHAPRABHU AND GIVE TO WORLD THE HOLY NAMES OF THE LORD.
THERE MUST BE A MEGA RESPECTFUL REUNION BETWEEN WITH ALL DEVOTEE S NOT TO FIGHT TO RESTORE WHAT HAS BEEN BROKEN…LIKE RESTORING THE JAPA BEEDS..IN ONE LINE TO DO SO WE MUST BE HUMBLE..AND FOLLOW PRABHUPAD S WAYS..
.WE DONT NEED POLITICAL SPIRITUAL PARTIES…WE NEED SPIRITUAL BROTHERHOOD..WHICH WELL PRABHUPAD SHOWED EXELENTLY..
IT IS NOT MY DISIRE TO OFFEND ANYONE..BUT THINK OF A UNITED POWERFUL HARE KRISHNA PLANET..
..Kaliyuga advances AND MAYA IS DISTRACTING…THIS GENERATION MUST BE STRONG..TO ENLIGHTEN SOULS… IT IS NOT OUR ADVANCES THAT MATTERS ..
.It is the People you help back to godhead….
JAYA GAURANGA…JAYA ALL THE LINE OF SPIRITUAL MASTERS..
That must be metioned we must know the roots…I pray for A BETTER RELATION between devotee s we must open our shell s..With love this Humble fallen Jiva that has nothing but to serve KRISHNA..
SU AMIGO FRANCO…VIVA KRISHNA…VIVA BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD…
Dear Prabhu, PAMHO. Your website is excellent and your research well done. There is urgent need of this. Thank you for your service to Srila Prabhupada and his legacy. I would like to speak with you about ideas for this service, and Srila Prabhupada has given me inner guidance, specific guidance that is, that I must speak out about his books and how they are not to be changed. It is not an easy task, but one that must be done for the sake of the future generations of devotees.
Your servant and sister, Govinda dasi
Govinda Devi Dasi Prabhu,Thank you from the bottom of my and OUR
HEARTS From ALL Your Godbrothers and Godisters who care and
distressed ,broken hearted at the BBTs and JAS Awful proud attitude
and their changing Prabhupadas words (books) Illegally.
Lord KRSNA will not stand for this offence ! Reaction’s will come to
ALL the offenders. May Lord KRSNA Bless and protect you .
We must FIGHT to protect Srila Prabhupads books.
Your servant and Godbrother, Jaya Madhava Das -Moscow Russia
Srila Prabhupad literature shines by it self LIKE WHEN LITTLE KRISHNA AND BALARAM ENTERED A DARK ROOM HIDING FROM MOTHER YASODA LOOKING FOR YOGURT… THEY ENLIGHTEN ALL THE ROOM WITH THERE GLOW…
TILL NOW THERE IS NO ONE AS PURE AS HE…dont let maya win…if our spiritual master wanted he s original texts back again thats the way it should be…I am not a Bramana nor Sanyasi NOR I HAVE any spiritual level but i know one thing one must obey the instrutions of a Spiritual Master and Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad WAS TRULY A REAL SPIRITUAL FATHER….
HARE KRISHNA PAMHO; A DEVOTEES FIRST QUALIFICATION IS THAT HE SHOULD BE HUMBLE!!!!!! TRINADAPI SUNICHENA…….. IF NOT HE IS A PRISONER OF FALSE EGO.KRISHNA SAYS IN GITA FROM SENSE OBJECTS KAMA DEVELOPS FRM KAMA ANGER(WICH MEANS EGO)FRM ANGER INTELLIGENCE IS LOOOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE I DONT MEAN TO OFFEND ANY ONE BUUUT! I CANNOT STAND SHRILA PRABHUPADAS PURPORTS AND TRANSLATIONS TO BE RE_EDITED?????????????? FINDING FAULTS IN A QUALIFIED GURU LIKE PRABHUPADA WHO EPITOMISE HUMILTY IS A GRAVE OFFENCE!!!!!!!!!! A MAD ELEPHANT OFFENCE AT THAT.SOO SPIRITUAL LIFE IS FINIISHED FOR SUCH A PERSON. MAY KRISHNA GIVE HIM SOME INTELLIGENGCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I feel so confused over Jayadvaita Swami’s material world attachment, attachment to POWER. I find his behavior disgusting and an attack against true Krishna consciousness and Prabhupada. It is shocking and makes me ill and angry that this imposter is still holding the high position that he does. I find him to be very weak and hardly a devotee of Lord Krishna. Is he next going to tell us he is an incarnation of Supreme God? Jayadvaita needs to be rehabilitated. I will pray for him for surely evil has crept into hi soul.
Hare Krishna.
AGTSP.
PAMHO.
We cannot accept particular jds understandings because the purpose is not to achieve knowledge but prema bhakti, we cannot fall the knowledge-ism. The objective is jñana-sudha-bhakti (devotion devoid of knowledge.) Bhakti is devoid of any philosophical speculation.
Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur says: “In the course of time, unscrupulous and untruthful personalities have interpolated many chapters, mandalas (sections and divisions) and mantras into the Vedas, in order to fulfil various self-interests. Those parts that were added at a later time are called praksipta (interpolated) parts. It is not that we should accept any and every Vedic text as consistent evidence. Those Vedic granthas (sacred books) that the äcäryas in the sat-sampradäyas have accepted as evidence are definitely Veda and are authoritative evidence, but we should reject literature or parts of literature that they have not recognized.
Pratyaksa and other types of evidence depend on the senses, but since the senses of the conditioned jiva are always subject to bhrama (illusion), pramäda (error), vipralipsä (cheating), and
karanäpätava (imperfection of the senses), how can the knowledge acquired through the senses be factual and faultless? The fully independent possessor of all potencies, Sri Bhagavän Himself, personally manifested as perfect Vedic knowledge within the pure hearts of great maharsis and saintly äcäryas who were situated in full samädhi. Therefore, the Vedas, which are the embodiment of svatah-siddha-jñäna (self-manifest, pure knowledge) are always faultless and fully dependable as evidence.” Jaiva Darma 13
JAI Thank you very much 🙂
There was once a humble man of god who came in search of us
with all the love in his heart to show the world love of Krishna…
He came with no material opulence fighting for his life on the way to America…
All by himself helping people out of drugs out of maya in complete
ignorance…starting with a little place where he could teach pure love of godhead showing people to chant Krishna s name…and teaching the lords pastime s..
.and after the years went by printing so many books and opening temple s and the hearts of so many all over the world…
This humble man was really not alone for he always prayed to lord Krishna
to help him…and Krishna provided his task of translating for us in so little time not sleeping in time s always thinking in our benefit…only a pure devotee could do so… helping mankind to grow from animal life to became a spiritual being…
I WILL ALWAYS BE THANKFUL TO THIS GREAT HUMBLE MAN,,,for his love to human race…for his love to his Spiritual Master Bhaktisiddhanta Swami following his instruction to come to america and to the world and show us what was missing in our hearts…
Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu s Simplified the process
to return to godhead and Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
gave us this precious gift in this difficult age of Kaliyuga…
Eternal thanks again to again to this Great Humble Soul..
…….JAYA….GURUDEVA…JAYA BHAKTIAVATAR…..JAYA GOVINDA.
Jayadvaita, you were such a sweet, humble devotee in the early 70′s. Now you’re just another man with an inferiority complex turned meglomaniac by opportunity.
I like Bertrand Russell’s interpretation of megolamania: “The megalomaniac differs from the narcissist by the fact that he wishes to be powerful rather than charming, and seeks to be feared rather than loved. To this type belong many lunatics and most of the great men of history.
You obviously want to be feared and worshiped, but is this really the epitaph you want on your tombstone?
no longer your servant,
John
(Jitendriya dasa)
Hare Krishna!
I’ve just started bhakti yoga, and I receive emails from you
Madhudvisa Dasa.
I don’t know much, but I do know this..
Jayadvaita Swami should not have his own opinion when he is a spiritual leader,
he should have Krishna’s opinion. Just tell the same words as Krishna, so the words, the sprit of the words don’t die. Isn’t that why Prabhupada wrote “Bhagavad Gita AS IT IS”. As it is, that’s what we want.
fallen souls like me, who just started bhakti yoga, just found out about Krishna and who is trying learn can easily be guided in the wrong direction when spiritual leaders have some motives for themselves, because when they are called spiritual leaders we believe they have control over their senses, and simply just deliver Krishnas message.That’s what we want, we want Krishna.
In short, no personal opinion! Jayadvaita Swami certainly has his own opinion.
He should work on that and control his tongue.
Your servant,
Julianne
the devotees of the lord are known by their sweet words and the merciful vibrations that emanate from them.sb
Rot in hell Jay.I wish I could send you there myself.All that you do is deliberate,calculated and ill intended.You should be shunned upon.You stole wealth from your father and claimed it for yourself.You sinister SOB.
when i read conversation of two of u , it made me laugh like crazy, so i almost missed the sad point of a hysterical session in the words written.
he say “shove it” … no much philosophy involved . Simply LOL 🙂 ))))!
This fighting breaks my heart. We as devotees should NOT treat each other this way for any reason. Of course, disagreements will happen, but there are limits to bad behavior. Krodha (anger) is the pushing of the sex desire, and should be watched carefully. When out of control it is blinding, and stops spiritual vision causing us to forget Krishna. We must be very careful or this will lead to fall down. His Holiness JaiAdvaita Swami is out of line in this context. He need a spiritual vacation. Prabhupada said when these things happen we should go to Vrindaban or Mayapur for a time and chant, and associate with the Dham.
“His Holiness” is acting very unholy,using very unholy language and methods of confrontation that are very low class.He is acting like a common criminal by destroying Srila Prabhupada’s legacy.Our “compassion” should be administered properly when someone is proven to be a unrepentant,disobedient thief.He is causing huge damage to the entire society by trying to “perfect” the words of the perfect self-realized spiritual master His (real) holiness A.C.Bhaktivedanta Srila Prabhupada.
When our propensity to hurt others is used fearlessly in Krishna’s service to punish aggressive thieves and rogues such as His Unholiness(after much deliberation and fact finding) we are granted remembrance of the Lord.This is a fact.
His Unholiness is using his “spiritual vacations” in the Dham to attack and provoke devotees such as Madhudvisa who are fearlessly trying to preserve Srila Prabhupada’s legacy at the cost of being aggressively accosted by the characters like His Unholiness .His Unholiness is clearly beyond help.
Hare Krishna.
All Glories to Guru and Gauranga
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada
What proof is there that Madhudvisa Dasa is telling the truth..
Your Servant
Suprasada Gauranga Das
Everything is confirmed by Jayadvaita Swami personally in his letter which he wrote to me the day after this incident and which I have included with my comments at the bottom of this article.
So simply read this article completely and you will have all the proof you need, directly from Jayadvaita Swami
Madhudvisa dasa
Prabhu people like you give raise to these kind of demonic acharyas who take the whole Organization for a ride. Please do read carefully, now it is not possible to get the original draft for you and also do not have blind faith in the present self proclaimed acharyas.
Prabhupada is the only one who can take us to the Lord.
HARE KRISHNA!!
PAMHO,
AGTSP,
AGTSG.
PRABUJI,
COULD YOU PLEASE GIVE US THE LINK FROM WHERE WE CAN SEE/READ THE ORIGINAL GITA APPROVED BY SRILA PRABHUPAD ONLINE…SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A DARSHAN OF THAT ALSO.
http://www.AsItIs.com
and
http://www.PrabhupadaBooks.com
madhudvisa prabhuji is right. prabhupada ki jay.
thanks prabhuji for publishing prabhupadas original books.
The Bhagavad-gita As It Is was first published in 1968 in an abridged version. Afterwards, Srila Prabhupada spoke about printing the “revised and enlarged” Bhagavad-gita with MacMillan. As far as Srila Prabhupada was concerned, it was the 1972 MacMillan edition of the Bhagavad-gita that was “revised and enlarged.” Later printing runs of the Bhagavad-gita As It Is by the BBTI had reduced both the index and the number of color plates by 75%. Therefore, to refer to this later edition as “revised and enlarged” is nothing more than word jugglery and an attempt to mislead the innocent public. There is nothing “new and improved” about it. Read some of the scholarly reviews of the original MacMillan Gita and be amazed at the academic community’s appreciation of Srila Prabhupada’s prolific literary output. In his own words, “These books are qualified to be distributed unlimitedly.” No further editing required.
thank you for publishing Prabhupada’s original books.we got your veda base and books…….. Jai Srila Prabhupada…
WHY DONT THE GBC GET TOO ?????
VERY SCARY Time’s are here in Kali Yuga Iskcon lost its shakti in the West and Compromised mostly -EVERYTHING.
Pray to KRSNA for real reform of the GBC , BBT and ISKCON
Before WW 3 and The Great Coming Economic CRASH of the USA. YS,JMD
Why dont THEY -the GBC GET IT TOO ?–no change to SP s Books are required EVER- YS,JMD
HARE KRSNA
Pamho-AGTSP
Heartbreaking story,,,,,How sad and Tragic,,,,This is what Iskcon and the BBT have become….A Society in Denial of its Deviations and Bad leadership. Shameful.
Its evident JAS is one unhappy camper (He is Haunted, He will remain so as long as he fanatically holds to his False ~Ego~ and is in denial of his mistakes.
He demand’s respect from His Godbrother’s and sisters ! Demands ! How very sad.
He should know you can’t act low class and demand respect from others !
NO Matter who you are Guru, King or world leader. Actions speak louder the words
He is not behaving like a senior devotee,guru,gbc should behave…Brahminical…
Are more GBC like him ? Scary isn’t it. He is editing Prabhupada’s books
Changing Prabhupada’s books illegally. This will give JAS -NO PEACE- None at all !
In this life or his next life ,it will haunt and curse him and the BBT and Iskcon
Untill the Damage’s have been corrected. To the GBC, Please do it A.S.A.P . !
Madhavisa das and Hansadutta das are NOT THE FRINGE CROWD or NUTs..or alone
They are disgusted and alarmed at the deviations being made to Prabhupadas books ! A great aparad. The world will suffer reactions because of this aparad.
Madhuvisa das is joined by Hundreds and thousands who do agree with them !
STOP CHANGING SRILA PRABHUPADAS BOOKS -CORRECT THIS MISTAKE !
JAS balmes them for all the dissenters ,How Dictator-Mommar Gadhiffi of him !
PARANOIA……..Arrogant, and hateful of him. Totally wrong illusions.
Is it the Legacy of the BBT and Iskcn and the GBC to have destroyed Prabhupada’s
original books ? Is this the grand future of the BBT…Deviations, Disobeying Srila Prabhupada’s exact Instructions NOT to change a single word in His books !
Meanwhile Love and Trust is seriously -damaged -for the GBC and Iskcon
Not by Madhavisa das or Hansadutta das Prabhu’s actions but by power tripping
GBCs and Power tripping BBT and offences to Srila Prabhupada ,by changing His books illegally ,against His wishes and exact Instructions ! Its Maya. Plain as day.
Jiv Jago God help the world…The world is in a serious mess, now more then ever
If we cant save Prabhupada’s books and Iskcon-How can Iskcon save the world ?
If we cant give people Prabhupada books AS IT IS in Iskcon -what fate and bad
karma (reactions) awaits Iskcon and the world –Its frightening and tragic.
I pray for insanity to be replaced by sanity in Iskcon and the BBT.
I will pray to Lord KRSNA and Directly to Srila Prabhupada, At least THEY will Listen
-Jaya Madhava das (acbsp)
Jayadvaita Maharaja, You say you are bringing those great books closer to the manuscripts. If there is a great classical film, and someone picks up pieces from the cutting floor, inserting them and making his own cuts too, the film is changed. Most of your changes make me cringe. Prabhupada obviously liked Hayagrivas Shakespearean editing. Don’t you? If only you would understand. Your servant, Hamsagati das
Please accept my humble obeisances!
And please do not edit Srila Prabhupada Books!
Please write your own commentary with your own purport mentioning your name(Swami So and So)on it as the author of the work!
But please leave Prabhupada’s version with all its mistakes alone!
Let the people judge whose version has the most effective spiritual potency!
Aspiring to become a servant,
H.S
BHAKTA GODHEAD! thats who we all need to be right now….
Prabhus , Mataji’s
PAMHO, AGSTP,
Do not fear,
not even a blade of grass moves without the Will of The Supreme…
All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again,
Why even now Srila prabhupada’s Lila is occuring on some other Earth world in some other Universe in Time….
somewhere in the Maha- Tattva and Time is all it takes,
Ajarga-Vritii,
today the rascals have the castel,
But tommorow we will take over the entire Capital,
and starve them out,
and our successors will take the Land ,
and then the Whole World….
fear not, just let kala take effect,
the Sudarshana Chakra to spin,
and
…all these Kings assembled in this place of pilgrimage…
will take to their alloted destinations,
Krsna has already decided their fate, and Srila Prabhupada has Indicated the needful service for the next 100 years….
Get Back to Godhead by FIRST Getting back to Prabhupada…
we change back all the unwarranted, un-needful things,
purge out all the anarthas, chase out all the deamons,
and Happily Chant, Dance and Sing in Ecstacy once again…
maybe even some feasting to Boot…
this will make us all very Happy….not long now,
….no one lives forever….
“….I come as cruel death…..” etc…..
” …the devourer of worlds….” etc….
Krsna Likes a good fight, and getting the rice from the husk, is no easy task….we also have to let some deamons through occasionally to begin their Krsna conciousness, BUT not if they steal from the villagers and run off with the cows…NO..this we stop , and judging by the mood these days of the internet, it is well under way…
DO NOT FORGET, the kurus had an army of Millions at their disposal,
The PANDAVAS had a much smaller force, but,
they had the flag of Hanuman on their Chariot,
and they HAD SRI KRSNA as their charioteer, with Arjuna at the Bow…
what quetion of fear, alarm, surprise, etc….this is all going on, and it will be nonsense for a lot longer yet…but soon, it will all be finished…now
STAND UP AND FIGHT O CONQUERER OF WEALTH!!!!
HARE KRSNA ! All Glories to the assembled Devotees..!
SRILA PRABHUPADA KI JAYA!
It it is shame that although I have read it. It is difficult to believe what you are writing is true.
Next time please get some evidence of your events, i.e. photo, audio, or video.
Thanks
Ys
Hare Krishna Jagannatha Prabhu
If you don’t believe me read the letter from Jayadvaita himself who wrote to me the following day confirming everything that I said. I sent this letter to JAS and he wrote back confirming everything and saying that I deserved much worse…
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
Hari Bol Madhuvisa! I just came upon this web page controversy. Thank you for your efforts to keep Srila Prabhupada’s book in their original printing. I can’t understand why anyone would want to change Prabhupada’s writings/purports! This is very typical of material consciousness /desire for personal sense gratification! Unbelievable! Hari Bol!
One should avoid hearing from a person not situated in Vaisnava behavior.
(SB 10.1.4)
Hare Krishna Dear MADHUDVISA DASA Prabhu!
Please accept my humble obeisances!
All glories to the acarya Om Vishnupada 108 Trinadini A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad Guru Maharaj!
I am new to Krishna Consciousness, I came into the movement by reading Srila Prabhupad’s books, which now I realise were the edited ones. JPS devotees tried their best to brainwash me into accepting the guru with a large waist line as my guru but thank heavens I never did! I learnt of the poisoning issue last new year’s eve when I was searching for Prabhupad’s videos on YouTube and came across all the conspiracy theories. I don’t believe it was arsenic poisoning, being a doctor myself I can say that confidently though which poison it was, I am unsure. Srila Prabhupad himself said he was poisoned and I will believe it even if nobody else does. Anyway, it is a very great effort on your part to keep us neophytes informed about the acts of adulteration by these blatant rascals. Hari Bol! Jai Jaggudada! O”O
Hare Krishna Prabhu,
I am currently 25, around 30 yrs back my father brought Bhagawat gita as it is, when I became 15 I started reading it, in fact I was reading it with great care and attention, but when I left my hometown, I purchased new Bhagwat Gita (of course it was edited) I did not felt what I used to feel when I was taking that original Bhagwat Gita in my hand, I felt something wrong in that, and even after reading did not felt anything special (like what I used to feel), it is my internal feeling that revised edition is of no used, it must be in shelf only for show :(, (I should not say like this to BG, but sorry Krishna)
Your humble Servant
AGTSP,
HARE KRISHNA! Sri Sri Guru Gaurangau Jayataha. Respected Prabhuji, a big big thank you, for your articles and this website. Its been very eyeopening and all connected with not just Iskcon but all those devotees who have a copy, should atleast be aware of the facts and then reconcile them in their own understanding of wether it affects them a little or a lot. But this info is vrry important. You know, the most popular version, the most widely distributed version of the Bible, is the KJV. Meaning the King James Version. Its not the exact word of God then. However, Mercy from the One Bhagavan nevertheless flows upon all those who with faith try to connect to God thru reading it. afterall, God is all knowint, and He is watching youheart to see Iif you are truly seeking Him or not. Similarly, this New and revised edition of the Bg as it is, is SJV. Meaning swami jayadvaita’s version. Its just that. The gita as it is, but thru his vision. And I must say, being indian, I know that there is a beautiful feel and flow of indian english that sounds more like Srila Prabhupada in the original 1972 version. Yes there were spelling mistakes and sanskrit quotes were missing. But they should have been added and corrected. Thats all. There wasno need of the other mindless changes for the sake of changing. Anyway, mercy of Sri Krsna still flows thru the book, and I still revere my 3 year old copy and do pranaam to it. I knew in 2010 itself, before I went to the local iskcon temple to get my copy. Thanks to coming across your website.
If he is as dangerours as everyone is making out in regards to to the changes to Srila Prabhupads books a thought has ocurred to me WHAT IF he the editor Jayadvaita no longer resides whithin the confines of Iskcon for one reason or another what would happen to all those changed books, will they be then be not considered, especially if this person falls by the wayside. I am not saying he will, however history speaks for its self, and I was just wondering if that did ocurr, what a spanner in the works that would be.
REPLY
Hare Krishna
Yes. It is completely insane. The absolute authority for what is in what they call “Srila Prabhupada’s Books” is Jayadvaita and Dravida and whoever else the BBT lets change them. So if these people are not actually pure devotees of Krishna–and they are not, otherwise they would not disobey Srila Prabhupada’s clear order: “DO NOT CHANGE MY BOOKS”–then all the changes they have made are completely unauthorized and unbonafide and bogus.
As Prabhupada says: “When you change the authority is lost.”
So all these changed books ISKCON distributes are completely without any authority at all… The authority is Jayadvaita and Dravida. And they are simply disobedient so-called disciples of Srila Prabhupada. A disobedient disciple is not a disciple.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
about 6 weeks ago, i just started to poke my nose into this whole issue for the first time. so now i started reading the 1968 version which is in Folio. after i finish that, i will go to the 1972 version, which is also in Folio. i will let you know what i think, feel and will when i am inspired to do so. may Krishna bless you, protect you and maintain you. i find this whole thing very interesting, but disturbing at the same time. Hare Krishna! harer näma eva kevalam.
It is obvious from the statements of Ramesvara and Radhavallavha that, plain and simple, Srila Prabhupada wanted that there should be no changes in his books what-so-ever.
One can understand that from the point of view of editing, one might think that it might be better phrased this way or that way. Or one might think that this new painting will be more attractive to the public mind.
However the issue has nothing to do with our personal feelings or opinions as to what will make the book more acceptable, or even more successful.
There is only one issue to be considered, and that is the instructions of Srila Prabhupada with respect to how his books should be presented to the world. His Divine Grace stressed most forcefully that his books should be distributed unchanged.
But sometimes when our mistakes are pointed out, instead of being grateful, we proceed to cover one mistake with another.
It is completely parallel to the behavior of the dozen or so self-appointed “gurus” after Srila Prabhupada’s departure. Obviously they were thinking among themselves as to how to keep the movement afloat in Srila Prabhupada’s absence. But they went against Srila Prabhupada’s wishes and instructions. And instead of being able to admit this they proceed to cover one inappropriate implementation with another.
It is difficult to comprehend this kind of mentality because if they understand who Srila Prabhupada is, how would they dare to proceed in this way? And on the other hand, if they don’t accept Srila Prabhupda’s divine authority as Krishna’s pure devotee, what would make them want to dedicate their lives to his movement?
We are taught that the results of good karma, such as a high placed birth, material opulences, high education and mental faculties, and great charismatic beauty, these are disqualifications in spiritual life, simply because they tend to be intoxicating. When Srila Prabhupada placed persons in positions of authority it is not because they were more spiritually advanced than anyone else. It was simply that he recognized their natural propensities to be leaders. These appointments were not recognitions of spiritual elevation, but simply he was giving them a chance to rise to the occasion. All they had to do was try their best to follow his instructions.
But they could not do this. And the swami in question could not do this. Let us simply be grateful and appreciative that there are some among us who are willing to understand and follow Srila Prabhupada’s wishes and clear directives in the face of condemnation from those who have gone astray.
As It Is~ Undoubtedly Prabhupad’s perfect choice of Words in His service to His Srila Prabhupad and Their Lord Krishna.
In CC Ādi 16.10 ~
“One must first ascertain the object of life and then understand how to attain it. The Krishna consciousness movement is pointing out to everyone that the object of life is to understand Krishna, and to attain that goal of life one must practice Krishna consciousness, following the methods prescribed by the Gosvāmīs with reference to the authoritative śāstras and Vedas.”
And~
CC Ādi 12.10 — The order of the spiritual master is the active principle in spiritual life. Anyone who disobeys the order of the spiritual master immediately becomes useless.
CC Ādi 12.11 — There is no need to name those who are useless. I have mentioned them only to distinguish them from the useful devotees.
In the very first BTG 1944 is found this advice~
“It is not necessary to pretend to be able to understand before we actually do.”
And at the end of His Divine Grace’s comentary of C.C.Madhya Lila is this note of advice~
“Nonetheless, in India there are some people who say that they belong to this cult but who are actually very envious of the ācārya. “
I was fortunate to participate in Radha Govinda TSKP later Radha Damodar TSKP .I distributed with the likes of Viasesika Praghosa Sanjaya Prabhu Kasirama Kavidatta the list goes on…while traveling with Sura das and company Drystayuma swami i was initiated by HDGSP in New Vrndavana 6/29/ 1976 .I’m a relatively unknown disciple since 1980,but changing a single sentence of HDGSP’s translations is tatamount to saying The External Manifestation of Super Soul Srila Prabhupada isnt intelligent enough to use the right words
Dear Madhudvisa Prabhu. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I have seen the youtube ‘vid’ where you are taking about what Brighupati Prabhu said to you about Srila Prabhupada’s lecture tapes etc. I do not know what your present situation is but you should be very wary of demons such as Jayadvaita ‘Swami’ and other apologists and GBC cronies. These persons do not listen to reason because they are demonic and as the vid shows are only interested in ‘belittleing’ persons (such as yourself) or anyone who stands up for Srila Prabhupada. Any meeting, or appeals to them is completely counter-productive and only exposes yourself to unnecessary condescending, venom and attack. Brighupati has gained an almost ‘cult-like’ status over the years by book distribution, but because he is now just a flunky for the GBC, he has become another disfuctional personality. Once you become ‘institutionalised’ and ‘compromised’ then your consciousness becomes poisoned. How can one become self realised by becoming a pawn of persons like Jayadvaita, who is neither “senior” nor is he a “disciple” of Srila Prabhupada. One who folloes Srila Prabhupada’s vani (without changing or compromise) is Srila Prabhupada’s disciple.
Hare Krishna Prabhu
Yes. But I hope one day they release the whole video.
They have a few hours of my presentation to the BBT Trustees in Vrindavan on “Restoring Confidence in the BBT”.
They flew Brighupati all the way from the US to India for that meeting so he could demolish me before I started the presentation. That was the plan and that was what you see on the video. But that is all they have been able to get out of that three hour video.
The whole presentation went off quite well. I did not compromise in any way. I know the nature of these people but I also know the nature of Krishna consciousness and the nature of the truth. I spoke the truth and exposed the fact that the changes the BBT are making to Srila Prabhupada’s books are completely unauthorized, completely wrong, completely against the orders and desires of Srila Prabhupada and these changes have destroyed the devotees faith in the BBT, hence my presentation was “Restoring Faith in the BBT”.
So hopefully one day they will release the full and unedited video. It was a nice presentation… Surprisingly well received and the facilitator of the meeting, Brahma Muhurta Prabhu, after hearing the whole presentation, concluded that “We certainly have a problem.” And he suggested to all the BBT Trustees and others present that the BBT should scrap the current Jayadvaita Gita and go back to Prabhupada’s original 1972 Gita and start the corrections again. So his idea was not to print exactly the original book, but to just correct the real errors in it and then print that…
Of course after two days I met Brahma Muhurta Prabhu again and he said, “You know all those things you said in the meeting…” I said, “yes…” He said, “Well there’s no problem. Everything’s fine. We’re not going to do anything…” So obviously he had had someone talking to him to change his mind. That is the way of these people. Too stupid to see or admit the truth and even if they do see the truth they will not act on it because they are being told not to by Jayadviata Swami & Co. [maya & co…]
So anyhow it does not matter. Where there is Krishna there is victory. And Krishna is on Prabhupada’s side and we are on Prabhupada’s side, so the victory will be on our side…
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Madhudvisa dasa
Hare Krishna. I would like to share my personal experience with JAS. Up to this point I have been quite careful to not to think negative things about any devotee, especially such a senior member, so the point of my post is not to show disrespect, but rather share my feelings with others. I first encountered JAS at Juhu temple as I stayed there for some time last year. During that time he gave a private class to all the devotees there on the subject of “Kirtan standards”. My impression of him during that class was on someone who wanted to crush the love and affection that devotees had for chanting the holy names. He was often times very short with devotees as he Kaye’s down the law and ended what “he required ” by saying “Clear??”, to impose that devotees better not go outside of what he believed to be very strict Kirtan standards. No offense, but why be such a stick in the mud?
My second opinion came from a lecture I heard of him. I forget where it was recorded, perhaps in USA, but as people were getting settled into the class, before the lecture starts, he can be heard bragging to someone saying “I changed the book”. “The Gita, I changed it!” Saying it with such pride. I was shocked. I heard the Gita was changed against SP orders, but never really thought it was true until now. I’m shocked…
The Kind of Service that Madhudvisa Prabhu has done is matchless…I offer my respectful obeisances unto you again and again Prabhu….Jayadvaita Swami is forgetting that Krishna is watching everything from within…..Its so sad and sorry that the so called ISKCON Gurus have totally disregarded Srila Prabhupada’s Original Books and even dared to make as many as 5000 changes….Purity is the force and when they are doing all these impure things, there is no way that they deserve any respect….Even the most Compassionate Lord Nityananda will punish them for this….
Dear Prabu ji many many thanks for this information. Srila Prabupada Swami ji was Not an ordinary kaliyuga sanyasi in a saffron garb . Srila prabupada is and was Lords chosen Servent to save our lost souls in kali yuga, by giving us ISKON and Reviving Vaishnava dharma.
As Sri Ramanuja Acharya ji is the authority in Srivaishnava Sampradaya. Srila Prabupada Swami is our Authority in Gaudiya Vaishnavam. No one has the power to challenge their authority and instructions and certainly no one has the authority to edit the books and distort Their words and works. This is totally uneceptable.
Ordinary kaliyuga ” swami’s” with limited vedic knowledge are in no position what so ever to challenge that authority and place of our Acharya .
A normal sane individual will never dare go against the orders and instructions of the Acharya yet alone a supposed” shishya “of the Acharya .
So this deviant malicious behaviour is nothing but a demon in a saffron robe in a high position enjoying the power of authority in printing and editing books as he pleases according to his limited intellect.
The first point in being a devotee is that we should never challenge and disregard our Acharya’s instructions.
Srila Prabupada Swamiji’s pure single minded devotion is not enough for us to digest in this lifetime. His struggle and efforts is something non of us will even be able to dream of accomplishing .
Srila Prabupada’s mood of pure love For Sri Krishna is in his words. His divine energy and devotion and gracertainly is in his books. He had reasons behind his choice of vocabulary . They are his pure devotional mood of Krishna Prema, where Bhagavan himself spoke to Srila Prabupada Swamiji as he wrote. Only a Asura will find faults and have the nerve to edit Srila Prabupada’s books.
It’s is our dharma to eradicate such demonic behaviour. May this mafia management of iskon dissolve.
It’s is very pathetic that the Archarya’s work is being distort so much and these unfit “swami’s ” give us reasons for editing the books.
I’m glad that the fool has resigned from BBT. Now let us pray that Srila Prabupada’s original books are made widely available and the millions of altered books burned.
Sriman Kalki Bhagavana ki Jai !!!
Hare Krishna,
Prabhupad told and we all remember their sentence ” Iskcon will destroyed not by outsider people but from Inside …clashes between devotee…Madhudvisa Prabhu .. remember haridas thakur who beaten in 22 market place…what is his fault ??? Remember indradumnya Maharaj become gajendra what’s there fault??? …
My guru Maharaj doing seva in new vrindavan …severe cold… 6 ararti to lord 6 bhoga… make bhoga ..bath… offering…one day he fall in deep river in night …blood coming from every part of body…when he came in morning .. temple president blasphem him…he still carry on with service..
Don’t be to attached your pain
Just chant , be Happy
Yours servant forever,