Ramesvara Clears up the Book Changes Issue

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Srila Prabhupada appointed Ramesvara Prabhu as the manager of his Bhaktivedanta Book Trust (BBT) so he was responsible for organizing the printing and distribution of Srila Prabhupada’s original books. Srila Prabhupada gave more direct personal instructions to Ramesvara on book production and distribution than any other devotee.

Fortunately Ramesvara kept a detailed diary and used that diary in an interview for the Srila Prabhupada Lilamrta in 1981. It is because of this diary and the Lilamrta interview that Ramesvara’s memories on Srila Prabhupada’s instructions regarding the publication of his books have been very accurately and authoritatively preserved over the years.

Recently some letters from Ramesvara Prabhu have surfaced on the internet which shed a great deal of light on the book changes issue. Here are a few quotes from these letters.

“The Lilamrita interviews I found tell of Srila Prabhupada’s direct instructions regarding the size of the books, the artwork to be kept in the books, etc. – things that have already been changed so many times in the past 20 years, without understanding of Prabhupada’s orders, that it makes the “official” opening of this “change” door more ominous for the future, in ways we can’t even imagine.”

“The analysis with Dravida Prabhu left me with my deepest concern: if the changes didn’t have substantial merit but were made anyway, then regardless of the justification of “making it better” the door, the “change disease” as Srila Prabhupada called it, had been dangerously opened for anything to happen in the future after we are all long gone.”

“…an absolute position has to be reached so that before we die, we know that within the BBT and ISKCON there could never again be one single change, for any reason, ever made to Srila Prabhupada’s books.”

Ramesvara Prabhu confirms that the devotees who were responsible for approving the printing of the “Revised and Enlarged” Bhagavad-gita As It Is were not aware of the extent of the changes and only the editor was aware of the full extent of the changes.

“I have always admitted that my great failure as a trustee was not carefully reading every proposed change, and instead, relying on the endorsement of Hridayananda and Satsvarupa–along with Jayadvaita.”

“I know that in talking years ago with others on that committee [which authorized the printing of the revised and enlarged Bhagavad-gita As It Is], that they also admitted performing only a cursory review of the proposed changes…”

He also exposes the official ISKCON explanation of the book changes, “Responsible Publishing” as being a one sided presentation that ignores Srila Prabhupada’s clear statements and desires as to how his books should be published:

“The problem with the “Responsible Publishing” paper is that it is simply not the entire body of instruction, and it‘s critics point out that it is one-sided and obviously leaves out many of Prabhupada’s cautionary instructions against unnecessary change…

“The “Responsible Publishing” (RP) paper has either a significant misleading or a significant historical inaccuracy. There are sites which claim to list more than 5,000 changes. Certainly there were thousands of changes. The RP paper states that every change to the translations was reviewed and approved by the Trustees, leading ISKCON devotees, the GBC, etc. Later the RP cites or implies in its endorsements that all the changes were approved. Of course, NO ONE other than the editors ever saw back in 1981 or 1982 ALL the changes.”

“No one back then did their job or acted with full responsibility for what they were endorsing. l assure you that NO ONE on that Committee ever even asked to see all the changes, and we would have been astounded to have learned in 1981 or 1982 that there were thousands, maybe more than 5,000 changes. I lazily assumed that the work done on manuscripts as close to the original as possible was the only thing that mattered.”

“I failed to consider all the other Prabhupada instructions, the ramifications for making changes if they didn’t ultimately change the meaning; the effect of changes that in some cases loses the flavor of the Gita we had been studying for 10 years, and most importantly, that breaks the etiquette of changing a Sampradaya Acaraya’s books after His disappearance and opens the “change door” for possible future other changes over the decades and centuries to come. The RP paper implies that the changes were carefully reviewed and approved throughout the leadership of the BBT, GBC and ISKCON.

“I am certain that by interviewing all the leaders of that time, we would find most guilty of the same mistake that i made. It is true to state that the leaders of ISKCON at the time endorsed the changes. However, it is overtly misleading to state or suggest that the leaders actually performed a careful review. And getting back to the fact that there are thousands of changes, no leader, including the BBT Trustees, was ever shown every single change. No one! That is the sad historical fact…”

Ramesvara Prabhu does not accept the BBT’s justification for changing Srila Prabhupada’s books after his departure from the material world:

“I find it embarrassing that on the site BBTEdit.com, in the section about editing posthumously, the only quote to support touching the works of a departed Acarya is that Srila Jiva Goswami was working posthumously on Bhakti Rasamrita Sindhu. Seriously – how can any living entity compare themselves to Sri Jiva Goswami, or think because he touched the work of Sri Rupa Gosvami, therefore an editor in the lower stages of bhakti, not yet fully situated in the perfected stages of bhava (what to Speak of prema) can touch and change the words of a departed Sampradaya Acarya. Not a good example in my lowly View – it begs the question of What our editors think of themselves and their level of Krsna Consciousness. Oh well…”

Please read the letters for yourself:

Ramesvara Emails on Book Change (PDF)

 

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42 Comments

  1. Radha Gayaki devi dasi says:

    It is really unfortunate that we are not getting the original books written by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhakti Vedant Swami Prabhupada

  2. Sadhusanga das says:

    My humble opinion is that a publication mandate should be implemented by all GBC / BBT leaders: “After the current inventory of ‘changed books’ scheduled for distribution have been depleted, ALL subsequent publications MUST be produced from the ORIGINAL (unedited) editions that Srila Prabhupada personally approved. No exceptions. Keeping EVERY WORD (including photos and art work) originally in place is of critical importance. Changing these books after Srila Prabhupada’s departure is the GREATEST offence. These books are the “Lawbooks for the next 10,000 years”, and they MUST be kept ‘original’ in all respects! There’s still time for this generation of devotees to do something about this, but if it’s not done soon… then future generations will continue to change Prabhupada’s books (thinking themselves ‘authorized scholars’) and these Divine Scriptures will become more and more watered down. If something isn’t done NOW, what will Prabhupada’s books look like in say… only 500 years from now? Who knows….

  3. Kajal says:

    Changing the books will allow a lot to change gradually :( just stop.

  4. Aladdin OConnor says:

    A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada did not make any mistakes. If he approved a book, then that should be good enough for us. To think we could somehow improve on His work, even grammatically, is tremendously arrogant and dangerous. The Bible once contained the teachings of a great Acarya and now look at it…….

    If it would good enough for Prabhupada, it is good enough for me. The only solution is to release the un-revised books as the only books and stop. Anyone with another agenda will continue to justify this tragic mistake, others will fix it, hopefully.

  5. Gokula-rañjana Das says:

    this is unacceptable. um words maha bhagavata are not in the material realm. should not change or even an exclamation point

  6. bhakta bear says:

    oh dear… Christianity all over again:
    “Thou shall not kill”, I mean… “Thou shall not murder”.
    So when we distribute SP’s books on the street, what do we tell the people? This edition is not as good as the older ones. I feel like a right plonker!

  7. vanshika says:

    Rameshwar Prabhu ji is guilty but what about the others? I remember reading prabhupaad’s 2. Dec. 1974 letter to jaidwaita Prabhu saying, “I have seen on the new books printed that on the spine of the jacket the words ‘bhaktivedanta book trust’ have been omitted. Formally They were there on all the books. It is understood from rameshwar that you removed these words. Why did you do this? Who authorized it? Did Bali mardan authorized it? These things must be there. Please See to it. ”
    Srila prabhupaad was not pleased by even this small change what will happen if he reads the Revised and Enlarged editions of books which were AS IT IS sometime! I mean.. Is there nothing like fear? Prabhupaad is an first class devotee, great vaishnava, he will forgive anyhow, but what about chaitanya mahaprabhu who is Krishna himself, will he, be able to forgive the people against his pure devotee? How will you show your face to him? Chances are given for sometime, when we are guilty from heart and that thing starts eating us from inside, but not when we do things / offences on our Own will.
    After reading the above stuff it can be understood that the changes were made by personal will, personal authorization, not by the concerns of worldwide leaders. And what was the need to change actually??
    It’s written above that
    “…an absolute position has to be reached so that before we die, we know that within the BBT and ISKCON there could never again be one single change, for any reason, ever made to Srila Prabhupada’s books.” on this my view is that when kamsa comes, Krishna also comes and when ravana comes Rama also comes. Dishonesty can never help us in serving the lord. Madhudvisa Prabhu, correct me if am going wrong, and keep sending these mails so am aware always. Thankyou
    Hare Krishna

  8. mat says:

    Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad was Shakatavesa avatar – chosen by Krsna. Everything he wrote and translated was perfect. Why would you change something that is perfect and what sort of person will put himself above Srila Bhaktivedanta swami and say he should have done it like this or could have done it better? The original texts are the only ones worth reading. Hare Krsna, mat

  9. Dean Cary says:

    Srila Prabhupada IS the only spiritual teacher that I will trust with regard to the Word of Krsna.

    There should be NO question of changes to
    His original format and intention at any level no matter how subtle.

    Any proposal for change should be responded to by the question “WHY do we need to consider this?”

    I’m not an initiated devotee. I’m nothing special at all – just an ordinary person with the usual material attachments (and the headaches that go with them). I’m not a particularly good reader.

    But I know that the books that Krsna gifted to all of us through Prabhupada, are in their most perfected form, AS IT IS.

    Where is the need to change that?

    To put it into profane language, why fix something that ain’t broke?

    And what can ordinary raw devotees like me do to assist to mitigate these seemly materialistic agendas for change?

    My prayer is for the more developed leaders and teachers to consider very carefully the reasoning behind any proposal for changing Krsna’s gift.

  10. Gary says:

    You changed the recipe, and now wonder why the cake won’t rise!

  11. GIRIJA SHANKAR SONI says:

    Hare Krishna PRabhuji.
    Currently all prabhupad’s books are many changes, they are not original books.

  12. sumithreddy says:

    HARE KRISHNA PRABHU
    all the glories to Srila Prabhu pada

    I Hope I may not be in a position to comment on you but I think to the best of my knowledge and request you that please do not modify the books of acharyas and Prabhu pada keep them as they are
    we have to look up the inner voice of them but this updations may result into lose of their views and speeches ..
    please stop the regular modification processes.
    my sincere apologizes if my msg consist anything wrong

  13. Jaya Madhava das says:

    As a Srila Prabhupada disciple ,I ask ”ALL CONCERNED Devotees Godbrothers/sisters–in 2015–TAKE A STAND NOW—ISKCON/ BBTs BEEN DAMAGED BY ALL The CHANGES TO PRABHUPADS BOOKs and His original BBT as he established,,,Not Change His orders
    I ASK of Srila Prabhup[ads disciples” to take a stand NOW
    to” force the BBT and GBC to STOP ongoing the editing/changes
    of ALL of Srila Prabhupads books and to AT ONCE” !
    Confront this-grave Offence/mistake made to HDG Srila Prabhupada
    Despite good intentions this was a MISTAKE–Not Corrected by the GBC
    or by those in charge at the BBT.. This is Maya’s work so lets fix it
    To RE-Establish the 1972 Bhagavad gita it is reform the BBT–Dissolve– ILLEGAL —–BBTI REFORM CORRECT THE BBT NOW as established
    by HDG Srila Prabhupada ,not concoct something else…its dangerous
    Re new as Iskcon 1972s GITA and to Cancel any further illegal -unauthorised –edited—
    printings of HDG Srila Prabhupads changed and hugely edited books.
    To reinstate BBT books as its was -Circa- 1977 with ALL” original texts”
    and ‘original’ ART oil paintings that were approved by HDG Srila Prabhupada—NOT THE PRESENT ONES used,,,,,reform is needed
    and STOP printing unauthorized versions of KRSNA book and Bhagavad gita,,Srimad Bhagavatam and Caitanya Cartamrita,,,,ETC…..AT ONCE !
    Failure to do so is Criminal Activity….to the world and offensive to HDG Srila Prabhupada and Lord KRSNA. USA/UK/EU Iskcon has suffered from these mistakes,,,,,,,,YS,JMD (acbsp)

  14. Sven Redbeard says:

    I agree- do not deviate from Prabhupada’s words. That is why I will not join a temple and why I cannot find a spiritual master. I think the chain is broken again. Therefore, Prabhupada is my spiritual master.
    I do not trust ISKCON’s leaders. For example, I have seen an acharya with a huge lump of hair on the back of his head- but veda says it should be no more than 1.5 inches in diameter- the width of a calf’s hoof.
    I think people are not following Prabhupada properly- and I don’t want to join a cult that makes up it’s own rules and regs. The message of Lord Chaitanya- via Prabhupada is enough for me!

  15. spencer says:

    Dear madhudavisa
    Hare krishna

    Tell me why does Krishna In B.G speak so highly of the vedas.

    hare krishna
    Spencer

    • Because the Vedas is coming from Krishna. Even Krishna himself is quoting from the Vedas. Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He does not have to quote from anything. But to show us that we have to accept the authority of the Vedas He is accepting the authority of the Vedas and quoting from it. He was also following all the Vedic regulations as a householder when He was married with His queens in Dvarka. So Krishna is showing the example of following the Vedas.

  16. Eliott says:

    So, what is the conclusion out of all this?

  17. kamala says:

    The entire universe IS change. Non-change is stagnation and petrification; immutability and unchanging permanence are delusions, maya.

    Your argument(s) all sounds entirely too much like the rounds of ‘excommunication’ that Buddhist sects regularly fling at each other, or the perennial disputes the Christians engage in about the authorship, validity and “true” content of their holy books. When the world has moved on, even the meanings of the exact words a sage or prophet has uttered have changed, so the message must be transliterated to even make initial sense to the people of each generation. What you are insisting on here is a step toward the extinction of Krishna Conscious, not a way of preserving it.

    • Hare Krishna Kamala

      You do not understand the point. Yes. You are correct. The whole MATERIAL universe is change. But Krishna consciousness is not part of the material universe. Krishna consciousness is part of the Spiritual world. And in the spiritual world there is no change. Srila Prabhupada’s books have authority because they are published by him, approved by him, authorized by him, read by him daily, he gave all his classes from them, and he never asked anyone to change them.

      Prabhupada himself says “if you change the authority is lost”.

      You do not understand that only a self-realized Vaisnava acaraya is able to write Vaisnava literature. Others can not write it or change it. And it is Vaisnava etiquette that the works of the great Acharyas are never changed.

      So can no understand these things but change is not possible for spiritual things. If you change it is lost. Spiritual things do not change. Prabhupada’s books are already perfect. It is our consciousness that needs to change, not Prabhupada’s books…

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  18. Pradyumna Das says:

    Prabhus, change for the sake of change is not reason enough. I have a copy of Bhagavatam printed in India, The language is very difficult,this has been remedied. So there were changes to make understanding for “westerners” easier.
    There were questions asked of HG Jayadwaita in the early 80′s and Romesvara prabhu defended his proposed changes then, what sort of changes need to be made now.
    AGTSP

  19. Vamsidas adhikary says:

    What actions can I take to restore Prabhupada’s original manuscripts as the official representation of Prabhupada ‘s books?

  20. Stefano says:

    Why change???
    What happens to prabhupada books in 50 years time.

    • If the changing is not stopped now and the books are put back the original way then they will keep on changing the books every time they print them. And in 50 years time you will not be able to recognize them as the same books. They will be COMPLETELY different in 50 years time. That is what the BBT wants… They really do not like Prabhupada’s books they way they are. So they have started this process of revisionism. So over a long period of time, revising the books every time before reprinting them, they will be able to change Prabhupada’s books into something completely different, something they want, without anyone noticing the changes they hope…

  21. Rasamanjari Devi dasi says:

    His Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada’s Divine Unchanged Books–Reviewing the bogus changes facilitated by Robert Grant aka Rameswara dasa.

    I lived in ”Rameswara’s zone’ from pre-1977 (the year His Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada physically departed our external vision) until 1991. He says, in his April 2013 emails, which are basically making excuses for all those implicated: “l assure you that NO ONE on that Committee ever even asked to see all the changes,” and, “I lazily assumed that the work done on manuscripts, as close to the original as possible, was the only thing that mattered.”

    Does he REALLY expect the current and future devotees to believe that ‘uninterested’ and ‘lazy’ ISKCON leaders acted for years without any attempted input from their trained-up, well-wishing and un-motivated god brothers?! Whenever he was questioned by his god brothers (and believe me, god brothers questioned him frequently on this book issue as well as the guru issue, the collection issue, his girlfriend issue and so many others–until they were forced out of the movement) he most often replied with the famous escape clause, “I didn’t know.”

    He lied in the past and he’s lying still. He is one of the biggest offenders at Srila Prabhupada’s lotus feet because he disobeyed and betrayed his eternal Spiritual Master, who trusted him to follow his instructions and preserve what he had struggled to carefully produce in order to save the suffering souls of this world.

    When questioned, Rameswara acknowledged that Srila Prabhupada had ordered, “Don’t change one word.” Yet, when his god brothers asked: “Why are you doing it then?” he answered: “Don’t you think, after getting so many instructions from Srila Prabhupada, I KNOW how much to change?” Just see the crooked mentality. At the same time, as a ‘guru, as good as God’, he boasted he knew everything, his god brothers knew nothing, and he regularly cursed most devotees, since he found himself to be so far superior to them.

    I find it shocking there is an attempt by persons supposedly against book changes to promote him as a useful authority on this subject, as in: “Rameswara Clears up the Book Changes Issue”. It is not necessary nor beneficial. You know, the controlled opposition (those who join a cause, pretending to support it, while secretly working against it from within) are expert at capturing endorsement and allegiance of the innocent group members by pretending to oppose what those groups oppose; but then, at some point they begin to advance their real agenda, which is the plan to get exactly what they really want, (in this case, adulterations to Srila Prabhupada’s Divine teachings and instructions as recorded in his Perfect, Unedited Books) and no one notices it because the infiltrators have intentionally gained our trust and swung us over to their way of thinking ever so slowly and secretly. Most of the genuine group members are not skilled at spotting nor exposing and countering it. Some of the group members are also secretly controlled opposition and they make big propaganda to promote these cheaters from within, and cover-up or minimize their unholy activities when exposed. Srila Prabhupada gives us a clear indication of this covert attack on the movement and how to handle it when he wrote: “It is a fact however, that the great sinister movement is within our Society.” Furthermore: “It affected practically the whole Society in a very dangerous form.” And: “All of you may try to save the society from this dangerous position.”

    Be very wary of adopting unqualified people as spokespersons for your cause. Srila Prabhupada’s numerous direct instructions, as recorded in his Un-tampered-with writings and recordings carry sufficient merit for genuine devotees to use to counter the sinister movement’s demonic agenda to pollute His Divine Grace Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada’s Divine Books and impede Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s mission to spread Love of Godhead all over the universe.

    Lowly servant in the service of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada,
    Rasamanjari Devi dasi
    January 2015

    p.s. Some may say: how do you know that book changes are part of the sinister movement’s attack on our Society? What would you consider more sinister than corrupting and setting a precedent for corruption of Srila Prabhupada’s books, books which he himself called “The Law Books for the next ten-thousand years? Consider how the authority and effect of the scriptures of other religions have been lost due to multiple corrupted editions. Consider how disobedience to the givers of Laws and corruption of the Messages of God have become commonplace in the very NAME of religion.

    Some may question, how do you know Rameswara is an infiltrator? From the beginning he had been closely tied to production of Srila Prabhupada’s books, then to contaminating them. Fake gurus come and go but destroying the very foundation on which the movement functions has been Jayadwaita’s and his special task. It looks like he fell off his programming and went away for sometime, but they managed to put him back together and sent him back to be heard from in the devotional community again.

    There are others who say we should read his writing to find out what Srila Prabhupada wants, as if Srila Prabhupada’s unchanged books and instructions were somehow lacking or that the Lord’s impetus from within the heart in the form of proper conscience is unavailable. There is a saying that milk is nutritious food, but if it is touched by the lips of a serpent, it becomes poison. Spiritual force is obtained from hearing from a pure source. If a source is saying one thing, but has done the exact opposite, the force, or benefit is gone. All that will be gotten is the poisonous effect.

    *****************************

    “Regarding the poisonous effect in our Society, it is a fact and I know where from this poison tree has sprung up and how it affected practically the whole Society in a very dangerous form…I have tried to give you all Krsna Consciousness, now it is your duty to develop it. If you remain strong on the spiritual platform then your progress will not be checked or blocked…It is a fact however that the great sinister movement is within our Society…SO ALL OF YOU MAY TRY TO SAVE THE SOCIETY FROM THIS DANGEROUS POSITION .”
    [Srila Prabhupada Letter to: Hamsaduta 2 September, 1970].

    Srila Prabhupada: “Politics, diplomacy, fraud, cheating. These things are THE GENERAL QUALIFICATION of the western people. Do you ADMIT or NOT?
Devotees: “Yes.”
Srila Prabhupada: “There MUST NOW BE CHECKING THAT ALL THESE RASCALS MAY NOT JOIN AND SPOIL THE MOVEMENT. You should NOT ADMIT…Now the Revtainandan [and Ravindra nonsense] and this man…is making a clique. I can understand. What they are planning, that also I know. But I don’t wish to disclose it. So, IF THESE THINGS COME, THEN HOW THIS MOVEMENT WILL GO ON? POLITICS, DIPLOMACY, FRAUD, CHEATING, these are the general qualification of the western countries…If they are, these things come within our movement, then it will not be successful. tat-paratvena nirmalam. One has to become purified…There must be now checking that all these rascals may not join and spoil the movement. YOU SHOULD NOT ADMIT!” [SPC Vol. 10].

    “So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is a challenge to all the rascals and fools, that’s all. So those who have taken this movement very seriously, they should be very sober and understand at least you must expose all these rascals. That will be very much appreciated by Kṛṣṇa.”
    Lectures : Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.15.31 — Los Angeles, December 9, 1973

    “Regarding the position of a person who does not speak even when he knows the truth: jani saksi nahi deya tara papa haya. A person who knows things as they are and still does not bear witness becomes involved in
    sinful activities.’”
    (Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, May 17, 1975, Perth, Australia).

    Malam means: “contamination.” We should learn to despise all the causes of devastation, beginning from irreligion and cheating, and then we shall be able to make advancement in a life of piety. SB 4.8.5

  22. Rasamanjari Devi dasi says:

    ‘THE SOLUTION’: A NEW HERO IS NEEDED by Krishna Kirtan das

    The hypocrisy involved is very disturbing.

    What credibility does Ramesvara have when he himself participated in creating the mess, after even having already admitted on record (1979) to the grave concerns Srila Prabhupada had about changing his books? So now it’s not his fault because he and others just didn’t care enough to look at what was going on? Am I suppose to believe that? It’s a joke.

    The reality of the situation is that the BBT(i) and the whole lot of them are in some serious trouble because by now they all have completely lost to the public opinion as it has become obvious nobody wants the edited books, and that most devotees (in or outside of ISKCON) are quite upset over what has happened over the years.

    Therefore now they, the ‘all powerful’, need to peddle back on the issue, but they still must be in control of the status quo at the same time. So they devise PR projects to put one of their own men at the forefront of the issue. In other words, own the narrative. And who else better than Ramesvara, one of them, to be at the forefront and be worshiped like the hero that he is? — not. The problem is that it won’t fly. They would need someone completely fresh, a new hero, to represent the issue for them before the public and continue to be in control. People are getting smarter nowadays. It’s not so easy to manipulate anymore.

    It’s also equally incredible how such a concerted effort, going back at least three years involving many people, including the Arsa-prayoga website(s), continues to fail. All jointly together who measure no restraint when it’s time to glorify Ramesvara and his wonderful contributions to the cause of the original books, plastering Ramesvara quotes all over Facebook with pictures of Srila Prabhupada, writing articles on the subject quoting him and his interview as the new Bible, ‘our saviour’, making mention of his words at every possible comment, even making the long lasting cover of Facebook profiles with Ramesvara’s quotes like it was the case of Ajit Krishna.

    Has Ramesvara saved anything or anyone? He is just as guilty in the whole editing fiasco as Jayadwaita Swami. So give me a break. It’s utterly ridiculous. It has been getting more and more obvious what the agenda and modus of operation is surrounding this issue. In other words, the narrative must be owned, whichever side it is, one of ‘them’ participating club members need to be at the representation of it before the public. That’s how things get controlled.

    Meanwhile they don’t want to hear from anyone who is not in agreement with them. Their only concern is to make sure one them is at the top doing the talking and the representing, and thereby feed whatever they want to the public. Actual work and real solutions, oh, that will take 50 years of more bureaucracy, while the world continues to go to hell without Srila Prabhupada’s original books printed and mass distributed.

    So it must be owned, the narrative, and it must be owned by one of the members of the club who will then do a ‘wonderful’ job at representing it, dominating it, and of course, sooner or later, distorting and manipulating it to suit the agenda of the rascals. This is how it works.

    Those who are so desperate to be your friends and saviors are actually quite the opposite. They only know how to continue acting like the cheap manipulators that they are, for they have mastered the art of preying on the ignorance and naiveness of the masses.

    Krishna Kirtan
    27 December 2014

    • Hare Krishna!

      Things are progressing actually.

      Any devotee now who has even a tiny amount of brain substance is aware that the books the BBT are publishing have been poisoned by unlimited unauthorized changes. And Prabhupada’s original books are being printed by Krishna Books Inc.

      So we have made considerable progress. And the progress is going on. Srila Prabhupada’s original Sri Caitanya-caritamrta is now back in print.

      These demons can not succeed. Don’t worry. Krishna says “My devotee will never perish.” So they will never defeat or minimize Srila Prabhupada. Of course we have to fight the battle but if we are fighting for Srila Prabhupada then victory is assured.

      Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!

      Madhudvisa dasa

  23. Trevor says:

    These changes have destroyed the authenticity of the greatest works of eastern books translated for the western world. The works of the swami have now been polluted and put into the same corrupt category as the Bible and Koran. The disciples that have let this happen and Actually caused it to happen will never see Krsnaloka and will always enjoy the bowls of the hellish planets for their blashempies and failures to protect these sacred works.

  24. Jyotirmaya das says:

    Is it possible that there can be more than one version of Srila Prabhupada’s books. Just like in the Bible there are 4 or 5 accounts of the life of Jesus, and anyone can read their favorite. Are not the original books of Srila Prabhupada still available and ready to be published for those who desire them over the revised books?

    • No. There is only one version of Prabhupada’s books. That is the version Srila Prabhupada himself published, read from daily and gave all his classes from. There is no other version of Prabhupada’s books. Any other version is bogus, not-bona fide and does not carry any authority at all. It is useless.

  25. Visvavandya dasa says:

    Jaya Prabhus!

    Well, I’m an insignificant disciple of Srila Prabhupada, and one of the few that followed his last instruction,
    Srila Prabhupada lives inside my heart, not only him but all Divine Masters from our Sublime Guru-Varga.
    Prabhupada is my life and soul, and my life air, prana.
    For so many years, I’m alone (I have the great grace by Srila Prabhupada to have my sons that are devotees, my elder son and daugther are disciples of His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktirakshaka Guru Marahaj Prabhupada).
    And I’m watching the attacks of the demon Kali against the Mission of Srila Prabhupada, the Mission of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu).
    I’m doing a great personal effort to preserve the Transcendental Literature of Srila Prabhupada at least in my language Portuguese (Brazil).
    For many years, I take care of Prabhupada’s Page in Portuguese (http://www.nitaigaura.com.br),
    I translated the Bhagavad-gita As It Is, and many other NECTARS from our Divine Masters, now I’m working on The Krishna Book.
    For me it is very painful and very sad to watche those stupid guys that became followers of the demon Kali (kali-chelas) destroying Srila Prabhupada’s Mission, of course, in the material plane.
    I would like to buy all the Originals Books from Prabhupada (in English), but I can’t find Them.
    I hope those guys can recover their sanity, and publish all the Original Books from Prabhupada as They are.
    I recomed that you read the Original Introduction of the Srimad Bhagavatam where Prabhupada explains very clear and very well, about every thing, including the existence of ISKCON wich is to give the opportunity for everyone to practice the simple Method of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, to associate with the Pure Devotee (Premika) of the Lord, and hear from Him about the real Krishna Consciousness.
    I bag your pardon for any English mistake, I speak Portuguese.
    Thank you very much
    A Big Hug
    Your aspiring servant
    Visvavandya Dasa
    (São Paulo – Brasil)

  26. Prabhu sanjay says:

    These demons think that they are better than Srila Prabhupada. Let them do peanance, and sleep on the floor in a room without aircondition first of all, and met commonly everyone who come to meet them. and if they are real guru’s, let them give everyone diksa of the mahamantra just Prabhupada did, just spread the mahamantra in diksa form, not in book-changing form. these rascal should spread the mahamantra among everyone and have to take the risk and sin-burden of everyone on their head. if you are a real guru, suffer for the disciples and die like Srila Prabhupada. Let them know by their spiritual power the status of a disicilpe, not from someone else.a real devotee-guru don’t concentrate on money and comfort live but on God.

  27. Hrishikesh says:

    Hare Krsna Prabhu,
    ISKCON is maintaning a website known as bbtedit.com so that they can convince some fools how their changing is correct and anyone who tries to save Prabhupada’s legacy by distributing original books is a threat to ISKCON.
    They are maintaining another website vedabase.com and there they writes why they have changed the Bhagavad-gita, ‘many passages were lost’ The same book from which Srila Prabhupada gave classes for 14 years. Srila Prabhupada even saw the minute changes like cow protection changed to cattle raising. If he could see even such minute change two words in a 1000 page book how is it possible that many so called mising pasages remained unnoticed?? Who is going to believe them?
    I wrote the following Email to bbtedit.com
    ‘You have killed Prabhupada by changing his books. You have not understood Arsa Prayoga. You all are killers accept this fact…
    You all are the weeds which have to be removed to cultivate devotion.’ and many other things.
    Do you agree Prabhu?

  28. Rev Woodruff says:

    The amount of hate & venom over this is sad and astonishing. Surely this is not what Sri Prahupada expected of his followers.

  29. woz says:

    If Iskcon has proper leaders then it would help the human race slow the decent into cannibalism.

    Unqualified people should not be allowed to stay in a leadership post, they should not use the same tacticts (as karmis)to keep their positions.. If they were followers of Prabhupada they would quit their post due to being unworthy, it is a wonder anyone would take a leadership role after the unmatchable example of Srila Prabhupada.

    Srila Prabhupada it seems was the last in this age, worthy of the title of Divine Grace..

    You can buy your way into the house of lords, maybe ISKCON likes this mentality.

    nb I do not claim to be advanced myself..

  30. Tapasya Tyaga says:

    The changes appear bogus and needless. Taking a simple example, we look at the title of a chapter Sankya Yoga changed to Dhyana Yoga. Srila Prabhupada so that title everyday and never commented negatively about it. I perecive Jayadvaita Swami as a man of monumental ego and hubris. He fancies himself a wordsmith, Sanskrit scholar and editor extrairdinaire. His videos on you tube justifying his changes appear impatient with critics, smug, and self-righteous. Perhaps he is making a name for himself by changing Srila Prabhupada’s words.

  31. Jaya Rama dasa says:

    Prabhus, I agree that we should be using Srila Prabhupada’s original books. I count myself lucky to have purchased the full set of His Divine Grace’s books in 1978, and to also possess the original MacMillan edition of Bhagavad Gita As It Is. I understand the zeal of those who dialogue on this site, and I am glad to see for the most part, that there is a decent and civilized tone to it. ISKCON is still the salvation of mankind, and it is not too late to publish anew its Founder-Acarya’s literature in its original state. So, let us not hold hostage good sadhana or performance of seva, while we correct this issue. All too often it is observed that those who most fanatically criticize the book dilemma, are those who lend no cooperation to that very same Jagat guru’s organization and perform no seva in the name of Lord Chaitanya. Let’s have faith that we’ll get it right, so long as we persist in our protest, and meanwhile spread the word. It’s still a word worth spreading. Chant and be happy. Hare Krsna.

  32. Janmahara dasa says:

    HARE KRSNA, all glories to SRILA PRABHUPADA, please accept my obeisances,

    THERE IS NO ISSUE ,NEVER WAS, CONCERNIG PRABHUPADA S BOOKS. SRILA PRABHUPADA CLEARY STATED YO HIS DISCIPILES TO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES, NEITHER TO HIS BOOKS NOR TO HIS TEMPLES, WELL SO MUCH FoR THAT. No worries soon the time is coming for these rascals to get their due results. personally i have some kshatriya mood and am impatiently waiting for the econimic collapse and cleansing/ As SRILA PRABHUPADA said on aug. 5th 1973 in london england…… so, real GURU IS NEVER TO BE KILLED, BUT SO -CALLED GURU, HE MUST BE KILLED. SO-CALLES FALSE GURU, PSUEDO-GURU, HE SHOULD BE KILLED. HARIBOL….Hoping this email meets you in good health and spirits, your servant, Janmahara dasa

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