Comments on: Jayadvaita Swami attacks Madhudvisa dasa http://bookchanges.com/jayadvaita-swami-attacks-madhudvisa-dasa/ ISKCON is changing Srila Prabhupada's Books! Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:30:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: madhu http://bookchanges.com/jayadvaita-swami-attacks-madhudvisa-dasa/comment-page-1/#comment-330 madhu Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:18:36 +0000 http://bookchanges.com/?p=276#comment-330 the devotees of the lord are known by their sweet words and the mercyfull vibrations that emminate from them.sb the devotees of the lord are known by their sweet words and the mercyfull vibrations that emminate from them.sb

]]> By: Julianne http://bookchanges.com/jayadvaita-swami-attacks-madhudvisa-dasa/comment-page-1/#comment-311 Julianne Tue, 06 Apr 2010 22:15:49 +0000 http://bookchanges.com/?p=276#comment-311 Hare Krishna! I've just started bhakti yoga, and I receive emails from you Madhudvisa Dasa. I don't know much, but I do know this.. Jayadvaita Swami should not have his own opinion when he is a spiritual leader, he should have Krishna's opinion. Just tell the same words as Krishna, so the words, the sprit of the words don't die. Isn't that why Prabhupada wrote "Bhagavad Gita AS IT IS". As it is, that's what we want. fallen souls like me, who just started bhakti yoga, just found out about Krishna and who is trying learn can easily be guided in the wrong direction when spiritual leaders have some motives for themselves, because when they are called spiritual leaders we believe they have control over their senses, and simply just deliver Krishnas message.That's what we want, we want Krishna. In short, no personal opinion! Jayadvaita Swami certainly has his own opinion. He should work on that and control his tongue. Your servant, Julianne Hare Krishna!

I’ve just started bhakti yoga, and I receive emails from you
Madhudvisa Dasa.

I don’t know much, but I do know this..
Jayadvaita Swami should not have his own opinion when he is a spiritual leader,
he should have Krishna’s opinion. Just tell the same words as Krishna, so the words, the sprit of the words don’t die. Isn’t that why Prabhupada wrote “Bhagavad Gita AS IT IS”. As it is, that’s what we want.

fallen souls like me, who just started bhakti yoga, just found out about Krishna and who is trying learn can easily be guided in the wrong direction when spiritual leaders have some motives for themselves, because when they are called spiritual leaders we believe they have control over their senses, and simply just deliver Krishnas message.That’s what we want, we want Krishna.

In short, no personal opinion! Jayadvaita Swami certainly has his own opinion.
He should work on that and control his tongue.

Your servant,
Julianne

]]> By: Jitendriya dasa http://bookchanges.com/jayadvaita-swami-attacks-madhudvisa-dasa/comment-page-1/#comment-305 Jitendriya dasa Sat, 27 Mar 2010 18:07:21 +0000 http://bookchanges.com/?p=276#comment-305 Jayadvaita, you were such a sweet, humble devotee in the early 70's. Now you're just another man with an inferiority complex turned meglomaniac by opportunity. I like Bertrand Russell's interpretation of megolamania: "The megalomaniac differs from the narcissist by the fact that he wishes to be powerful rather than charming, and seeks to be feared rather than loved. To this type belong many lunatics and most of the great men of history. You obviously want to be feared and worshiped, but is this really the epitaph you want on your tombstone? no longer your servant, John (Jitendriya dasa) Jayadvaita, you were such a sweet, humble devotee in the early 70’s. Now you’re just another man with an inferiority complex turned meglomaniac by opportunity.

I like Bertrand Russell’s interpretation of megolamania: “The megalomaniac differs from the narcissist by the fact that he wishes to be powerful rather than charming, and seeks to be feared rather than loved. To this type belong many lunatics and most of the great men of history.

You obviously want to be feared and worshiped, but is this really the epitaph you want on your tombstone?

no longer your servant,

John
(Jitendriya dasa)

]]> By: franco http://bookchanges.com/jayadvaita-swami-attacks-madhudvisa-dasa/comment-page-1/#comment-287 franco Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:42:29 +0000 http://bookchanges.com/?p=276#comment-287 There was once a humble man of god who came in search of us with all the love in his heart to show the world love of Krishna... He came with no material opulence fighting for his life on the way to America... All by himself helping people out of drugs out of maya in complete ignorance...starting with a little place where he could teach pure love of godhead showing people to chant Krishna s name...and teaching the lords pastime s.. .and after the years went by printing so many books and opening temple s and the hearts of so many all over the world... This humble man was really not alone for he always prayed to lord Krishna to help him...and Krishna provided his task of translating for us in so little time not sleeping in time s always thinking in our benefit...only a pure devotee could do so... helping mankind to grow from animal life to became a spiritual being... I WILL ALWAYS BE THANKFUL TO THIS GREAT HUMBLE MAN,,,for his love to human race...for his love to his Spiritual Master Bhaktisiddhanta Swami following his instruction to come to america and to the world and show us what was missing in our hearts... Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu s Simplified the process to return to godhead and Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada gave us this precious gift in this difficult age of Kaliyuga... Eternal thanks again to again to this Great Humble Soul.. .......JAYA....GURUDEVA...JAYA BHAKTIAVATAR.....JAYA GOVINDA. There was once a humble man of god who came in search of us
with all the love in his heart to show the world love of Krishna…
He came with no material opulence fighting for his life on the way to America…

All by himself helping people out of drugs out of maya in complete
ignorance…starting with a little place where he could teach pure love of godhead showing people to chant Krishna s name…and teaching the lords pastime s..
.and after the years went by printing so many books and opening temple s and the hearts of so many all over the world…

This humble man was really not alone for he always prayed to lord Krishna
to help him…and Krishna provided his task of translating for us in so little time not sleeping in time s always thinking in our benefit…only a pure devotee could do so… helping mankind to grow from animal life to became a spiritual being…

I WILL ALWAYS BE THANKFUL TO THIS GREAT HUMBLE MAN,,,for his love to human race…for his love to his Spiritual Master Bhaktisiddhanta Swami following his instruction to come to america and to the world and show us what was missing in our hearts…

Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu s Simplified the process
to return to godhead and Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
gave us this precious gift in this difficult age of Kaliyuga…
Eternal thanks again to again to this Great Humble Soul..
…….JAYA….GURUDEVA…JAYA BHAKTIAVATAR…..JAYA GOVINDA.

]]> By: Gaurasundara Das http://bookchanges.com/jayadvaita-swami-attacks-madhudvisa-dasa/comment-page-1/#comment-275 Gaurasundara Das Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:10:09 +0000 http://bookchanges.com/?p=276#comment-275 Hare Krishna. AGTSP. PAMHO. We cannot accept particular jds understandings because the purpose is not to achieve knowledge but prema bhakti, we cannot fall the knowledge-ism. The objective is jñana-sudha-bhakti (devotion devoid of knowledge.) Bhakti is devoid of any philosophical speculation. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur says: “In the course of time, unscrupulous and untruthful personalities have interpolated many chapters, mandalas (sections and divisions) and mantras into the Vedas, in order to fulfil various self-interests. Those parts that were added at a later time are called praksipta (interpolated) parts. It is not that we should accept any and every Vedic text as consistent evidence. Those Vedic granthas (sacred books) that the äcäryas in the sat-sampradäyas have accepted as evidence are definitely Veda and are authoritative evidence, but we should reject literature or parts of literature that they have not recognized. Pratyaksa and other types of evidence depend on the senses, but since the senses of the conditioned jiva are always subject to bhrama (illusion), pramäda (error), vipralipsä (cheating), and karanäpätava (imperfection of the senses), how can the knowledge acquired through the senses be factual and faultless? The fully independent possessor of all potencies, Sri Bhagavän Himself, personally manifested as perfect Vedic knowledge within the pure hearts of great maharsis and saintly äcäryas who were situated in full samädhi. Therefore, the Vedas, which are the embodiment of svatah-siddha-jñäna (self-manifest, pure knowledge) are always faultless and fully dependable as evidence.” Jaiva Darma 13 Hare Krishna.
AGTSP.
PAMHO.

We cannot accept particular jds understandings because the purpose is not to achieve knowledge but prema bhakti, we cannot fall the knowledge-ism. The objective is jñana-sudha-bhakti (devotion devoid of knowledge.) Bhakti is devoid of any philosophical speculation.

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur says: “In the course of time, unscrupulous and untruthful personalities have interpolated many chapters, mandalas (sections and divisions) and mantras into the Vedas, in order to fulfil various self-interests. Those parts that were added at a later time are called praksipta (interpolated) parts. It is not that we should accept any and every Vedic text as consistent evidence. Those Vedic granthas (sacred books) that the äcäryas in the sat-sampradäyas have accepted as evidence are definitely Veda and are authoritative evidence, but we should reject literature or parts of literature that they have not recognized.

Pratyaksa and other types of evidence depend on the senses, but since the senses of the conditioned jiva are always subject to bhrama (illusion), pramäda (error), vipralipsä (cheating), and
karanäpätava (imperfection of the senses), how can the knowledge acquired through the senses be factual and faultless? The fully independent possessor of all potencies, Sri Bhagavän Himself, personally manifested as perfect Vedic knowledge within the pure hearts of great maharsis and saintly äcäryas who were situated in full samädhi. Therefore, the Vedas, which are the embodiment of svatah-siddha-jñäna (self-manifest, pure knowledge) are always faultless and fully dependable as evidence.” Jaiva Darma 13

]]> By: charli http://bookchanges.com/jayadvaita-swami-attacks-madhudvisa-dasa/comment-page-1/#comment-272 charli Mon, 04 Jan 2010 01:57:36 +0000 http://bookchanges.com/?p=276#comment-272 I feel so confused over Jayadvaita Swami's material world attachment, attachment to POWER. I find his behavior disgusting and an attack against true Krishna consciousness and Prabhupada. It is shocking and makes me ill and angry that this imposter is still holding the high position that he does. I find him to be very weak and hardly a devotee of Lord Krishna. Is he next going to tell us he is an incarnation of Supreme God? Jayadvaita needs to be rehabilitated. I will pray for him for surely evil has crept into hi soul. I feel so confused over Jayadvaita Swami’s material world attachment, attachment to POWER. I find his behavior disgusting and an attack against true Krishna consciousness and Prabhupada. It is shocking and makes me ill and angry that this imposter is still holding the high position that he does. I find him to be very weak and hardly a devotee of Lord Krishna. Is he next going to tell us he is an incarnation of Supreme God? Jayadvaita needs to be rehabilitated. I will pray for him for surely evil has crept into hi soul.

]]> By: NITAI DAS http://bookchanges.com/jayadvaita-swami-attacks-madhudvisa-dasa/comment-page-1/#comment-234 NITAI DAS Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:28:21 +0000 http://bookchanges.com/?p=276#comment-234 HARE KRISHNA PAMHO; A DEVOTEES FIRST QUALIFICATION IS THAT HE SHOULD BE HUMBLE!!!!!! TRINADAPI SUNICHENA........ IF NOT HE IS A PRISONER OF FALSE EGO.KRISHNA SAYS IN GITA FROM SENSE OBJECTS KAMA DEVELOPS FRM KAMA ANGER(WICH MEANS EGO)FRM ANGER INTELLIGENCE IS LOOOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE I DONT MEAN TO OFFEND ANY ONE BUUUT! I CANNOT STAND SHRILA PRABHUPADAS PURPORTS AND TRANSLATIONS TO BE RE_EDITED?????????????? FINDING FAULTS IN A QUALIFIED GURU LIKE PRABHUPADA WHO EPITOMISE HUMILTY IS A GRAVE OFFENCE!!!!!!!!!! A MAD ELEPHANT OFFENCE AT THAT.SOO SPIRITUAL LIFE IS FINIISHED FOR SUCH A PERSON. MAY KRISHNA GIVE HIM SOME INTELLIGENGCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HARE KRISHNA PAMHO; A DEVOTEES FIRST QUALIFICATION IS THAT HE SHOULD BE HUMBLE!!!!!! TRINADAPI SUNICHENA…….. IF NOT HE IS A PRISONER OF FALSE EGO.KRISHNA SAYS IN GITA FROM SENSE OBJECTS KAMA DEVELOPS FRM KAMA ANGER(WICH MEANS EGO)FRM ANGER INTELLIGENCE IS LOOOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!PLEASE I DONT MEAN TO OFFEND ANY ONE BUUUT! I CANNOT STAND SHRILA PRABHUPADAS PURPORTS AND TRANSLATIONS TO BE RE_EDITED?????????????? FINDING FAULTS IN A QUALIFIED GURU LIKE PRABHUPADA WHO EPITOMISE HUMILTY IS A GRAVE OFFENCE!!!!!!!!!! A MAD ELEPHANT OFFENCE AT THAT.SOO SPIRITUAL LIFE IS FINIISHED FOR SUCH A PERSON. MAY KRISHNA GIVE HIM SOME INTELLIGENGCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: franco http://bookchanges.com/jayadvaita-swami-attacks-madhudvisa-dasa/comment-page-1/#comment-143 franco Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:32:25 +0000 http://bookchanges.com/?p=276#comment-143 Srila Prabhupad literature shines by it self LIKE WHEN LITTLE KRISHNA AND BALARAM ENTERED A DARK ROOM HIDING FROM MOTHER YASODA LOOKING FOR YOGURT... THEY ENLIGHTEN ALL THE ROOM WITH THERE GLOW... TILL NOW THERE IS NO ONE AS PURE AS HE...dont let maya win...if our spiritual master wanted he s original texts back again thats the way it should be...I am not a Bramana nor Sanyasi NOR I HAVE any spiritual level but i know one thing one must obey the instrutions of a Spiritual Master and Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad WAS TRULY A REAL SPIRITUAL FATHER.... Srila Prabhupad literature shines by it self LIKE WHEN LITTLE KRISHNA AND BALARAM ENTERED A DARK ROOM HIDING FROM MOTHER YASODA LOOKING FOR YOGURT… THEY ENLIGHTEN ALL THE ROOM WITH THERE GLOW…
TILL NOW THERE IS NO ONE AS PURE AS HE…dont let maya win…if our spiritual master wanted he s original texts back again thats the way it should be…I am not a Bramana nor Sanyasi NOR I HAVE any spiritual level but i know one thing one must obey the instrutions of a Spiritual Master and Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad WAS TRULY A REAL SPIRITUAL FATHER….

]]> By: Govinda dasi http://bookchanges.com/jayadvaita-swami-attacks-madhudvisa-dasa/comment-page-1/#comment-137 Govinda dasi Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:42:13 +0000 http://bookchanges.com/?p=276#comment-137 Dear Prabhu, PAMHO. Your website is excellent and your research well done. There is urgent need of this. Thank you for your service to Srila Prabhupada and his legacy. I would like to speak with you about ideas for this service, and Srila Prabhupada has given me inner guidance, specific guidance that is, that I must speak out about his books and how they are not to be changed. It is not an easy task, but one that must be done for the sake of the future generations of devotees. Your servant and sister, Govinda dasi Dear Prabhu, PAMHO. Your website is excellent and your research well done. There is urgent need of this. Thank you for your service to Srila Prabhupada and his legacy. I would like to speak with you about ideas for this service, and Srila Prabhupada has given me inner guidance, specific guidance that is, that I must speak out about his books and how they are not to be changed. It is not an easy task, but one that must be done for the sake of the future generations of devotees.
Your servant and sister, Govinda dasi

]]> By: FRANCO http://bookchanges.com/jayadvaita-swami-attacks-madhudvisa-dasa/comment-page-1/#comment-122 FRANCO Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:29:06 +0000 http://bookchanges.com/?p=276#comment-122 My respect to you..MADHUDIVISA..DAS .It is clear Jayadaita Swami devotee in these regard of your interview with him fell in passion falling from his Spiritual Position... I HAVE NO DISIRE TO OFEND ANYONE...as you know Many Sages have fell in errors AND LEFT OTHERS UNSATISFIED by there unilateral disitions and analized what it has caused and changed The Curse of Things...for better.... Here we say if a river makes noise, water it has...meaning something s is going on..THATS NEEDS TO BE SOLVED... We must acept in a humible state of mind...What other devotee s are thinking...I see it is not evil nor out of order.It is MURARI KRISHNA WISH NOT OURS...TO CLEAN THE HOUSE...not to segragate or brothers no one will enter VRNDAVAN with this idea...krishna is friend of everyone... We are humans in evolution i see you do not mean to argue..invain... or to dissacredite anyone.... Many many devotees wish to see Srila PRABHUPAD S TEACHINGS BACK AGAIN... WITH MORE PAITING.. for the say more thing we can imagine..AS HE DISIRED IN HIS LETTERS...I BEG LORD KRISHNA BHAGAVAN TO RESTORE THE FILOSOFY OF RECONCILIACION BEETWEEN DEVOTEES THE ONLY HARM IS IN THE FUTURE DEVOTEES...CONFUTION... IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME IF A RECIPE HAS THE THE ORIGINAL INGRIDIANTS IT MUST TASTE VERY GOOD.IF ONE THING IS MISING IT IS ONLY A SHADOW OF THE RECIPE...OUR SPIRITUAL MASTER BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI...LEFT THE RECIPE IN HIS WORDS..WITH SPIRITUAL POWER TO PRODUCE NECTAR... I BEG YOU PLEASE ALL DEVOTEE IN CHARGE OF ISKON... RETURN TO PRABHUPAD S TEXTS... THIS HAS ONLY CAUSED CONFUTION...MAYA..LACK OF SPIRITUAL FRIENDSHIP EGO PROBLEMS...WHEN THE REAL SUBJECT SHOULD BE REUNITING ALL DEVOTEES OF LORD CHAITANYA WAHAPRABHU AND GIVE TO WORLD THE HOLY NAMES OF THE LORD. THERE MUST BE A MEGA RESPECTFUL REUNION BETWEEN WITH ALL DEVOTEE S NOT TO FIGHT TO RESTORE WHAT HAS BEEN BROKEN...LIKE RESTORING THE JAPA BEEDS..IN ONE LINE TO DO SO WE MUST BE HUMBLE..AND FOLLOW PRABHUPAD S WAYS.. .WE DONT NEED POLITICAL SPIRITUAL PARTIES...WE NEED SPIRITUAL BROTHERHOOD..WHICH WELL PRABHUPAD SHOWED EXELENTLY.. IT IS NOT MY DISIRE TO OFFEND ANYONE..BUT THINK OF A UNITED POWERFUL HARE KRISHNA PLANET.. ..Kaliyuga advances AND MAYA IS DISTRACTING...THIS GENERATION MUST BE STRONG..TO ENLIGHTEN SOULS... IT IS NOT OUR ADVANCES THAT MATTERS .. .It is the People you help back to godhead.... JAYA GAURANGA...JAYA ALL THE LINE OF SPIRITUAL MASTERS.. That must be metioned we must know the roots...I pray for A BETTER RELATION between devotee s we must open our shell s..With love this Humble fallen Jiva that has nothing but to serve KRISHNA.. SU AMIGO FRANCO...VIVA KRISHNA...VIVA BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD... My respect to you..MADHUDIVISA..DAS
.It is clear Jayadaita Swami devotee in these regard of your interview with him fell in passion falling from his Spiritual Position…

I HAVE NO DISIRE TO OFEND ANYONE…as you know
Many Sages have fell in errors AND LEFT OTHERS UNSATISFIED by there unilateral disitions and analized what it has caused and changed The Curse of Things…for better….
Here we say if a river makes noise, water it has…meaning something s is going on..THATS NEEDS TO BE SOLVED…
We must acept in a humible state of mind…What other devotee s are thinking…I see it is not evil nor out of order.It is MURARI KRISHNA WISH NOT OURS…TO CLEAN THE HOUSE…not to segragate or brothers no one will enter VRNDAVAN with this idea…krishna is friend of everyone…

We are humans in evolution i see you do not mean to argue..invain…
or to dissacredite anyone….
Many many devotees wish to see Srila PRABHUPAD S TEACHINGS BACK AGAIN…

WITH MORE PAITING.. for the say more thing we can imagine..AS HE DISIRED IN HIS LETTERS…I BEG LORD KRISHNA BHAGAVAN TO RESTORE THE FILOSOFY OF RECONCILIACION BEETWEEN DEVOTEES THE ONLY HARM IS IN THE FUTURE DEVOTEES…CONFUTION…

IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME IF A RECIPE HAS THE THE ORIGINAL INGRIDIANTS IT MUST TASTE VERY GOOD.IF ONE THING IS MISING IT IS ONLY A SHADOW OF THE RECIPE…OUR SPIRITUAL MASTER BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI…LEFT THE RECIPE IN HIS WORDS..WITH SPIRITUAL POWER TO PRODUCE NECTAR…

I BEG YOU PLEASE ALL DEVOTEE IN CHARGE OF ISKON…
RETURN TO PRABHUPAD S TEXTS…
THIS HAS ONLY CAUSED CONFUTION…MAYA..LACK OF SPIRITUAL FRIENDSHIP
EGO PROBLEMS…WHEN THE REAL SUBJECT SHOULD BE REUNITING ALL DEVOTEES
OF LORD CHAITANYA WAHAPRABHU AND GIVE TO WORLD THE HOLY NAMES OF THE LORD.
THERE MUST BE A MEGA RESPECTFUL REUNION BETWEEN WITH ALL DEVOTEE S NOT TO FIGHT TO RESTORE WHAT HAS BEEN BROKEN…LIKE RESTORING THE JAPA BEEDS..IN ONE LINE TO DO SO WE MUST BE HUMBLE..AND FOLLOW PRABHUPAD S WAYS..
.WE DONT NEED POLITICAL SPIRITUAL PARTIES…WE NEED SPIRITUAL BROTHERHOOD..WHICH WELL PRABHUPAD SHOWED EXELENTLY..
IT IS NOT MY DISIRE TO OFFEND ANYONE..BUT THINK OF A UNITED POWERFUL HARE KRISHNA PLANET..
..Kaliyuga advances AND MAYA IS DISTRACTING…THIS GENERATION MUST BE STRONG..TO ENLIGHTEN SOULS… IT IS NOT OUR ADVANCES THAT MATTERS ..
.It is the People you help back to godhead….

JAYA GAURANGA…JAYA ALL THE LINE OF SPIRITUAL MASTERS..
That must be metioned we must know the roots…I pray for A BETTER RELATION between devotee s we must open our shell s..With love this Humble fallen Jiva that has nothing but to serve KRISHNA..

SU AMIGO FRANCO…VIVA KRISHNA…VIVA BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD…

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