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	<title>ISKCON is Changing Srila Prabhupada&#039;s Books! Hare Krishna! &#187; Madhudvisa dasa</title>
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		<title>Jayadvaita’s Smoke and Mirrors</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[ISKCON now distributes a Bhagavad-gita that contains more than 5,000   unauthorized changes. Srila Prabhupada gave all his classes from his   original Bhagavad-gita As It Is and read from this book   personally on a daily basis and listened to his disciples read from it,   and commented on the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong></strong>ISKCON now distributes a Bhagavad-gita that contains more than 5,000   unauthorized changes. Srila Prabhupada gave all his classes from his   original <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em> and read from this book   personally on a daily basis and listened to his disciples read from it,   and commented on the philosophical points as they read. With the   exception of a couple of obvious typographical errors, Srila Prabhupada   never at any point of time ordered that his Bhagavad-gita be changed.  He  most certainly did not authorize the production of a revised and   enlarged edition of his book. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Jayadvaita Swami agrees that Srila Prabhupada did not ask him or anyone else to “revise and enlarge” his <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>.   So how did it happen? Where did the authority come from for ISKCON’s   current “Revised and Enlarged” edition? It seems just after Srila   Prabhupada left our material vision, Jayadvaita thought it was a good   idea to revise and enlarge Prabhupada’s Gita, so he did it. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">This   was a confidential program. Although Jayadvaita did write a two-page   letter to the “senior devotees” at the time, he never at any point in   time revealed the extent of the changes he made to Srila Prabhupada’s <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>.   He personally challenged me on this point at a BBT Trustees meeting   where I was invited to speak on the book changes. And when I asked him   to let us all know who was actually aware of the extent of the changes   he had made to Srila Prabhupada’s Gita before it was published (all the   BBT trustees and others were present), his answer was, “three people.”   And when I asked him who they were he told us himself, the typist and  he  also gave Dravida a quick look at the changes. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Apart from these three people no one else was aware of the extent of what he had done to Srila Prabhupada’s <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>.   No one in the BBT, no one in the GBC. The whole thing was done by   Jayadvaita. He explained that he did the changes by writing them onto a   Macmillan Gita and the only other person who saw that Gita with his   changes written on it was Dravida, and of course the typist who typed up   the manuscript of the current ISKCON “Revised and Enlarged” <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">So   it was a great mistake on the part of the GBC and the BBT to print  this  book without being aware of the extent of the changes that had  been  made. Of course they made the decision based on a letter by  Jayadvaita  claiming that he had not made many changes: </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">“Comparing   each verse in the book with the text of the manuscript, I made only   those changes that to me seemed worthwhile. I tried to be conservative   and not make needless changes.”<br />
<em>(Jayadvaita’s letter to senior devotees, October 25, 1982)</em> </span></span></ul>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">And   what is his “authority” for this you may ask? As he said in the letter   to senior devotees, “the text of the manuscript.” “I have made it  closer  to the original manuscript.” </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">And what is this so-called “original manuscript”? You can <a href="../bhagavad-gita-as-it-is-manuscript/" target="_blank"><strong>see it here</strong></a>. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">As   Bhakta Philip Prabhu has pointed out, this is not a manuscript at all.   It is the first draft of the book. No author intends that the first   draft of his book be published. He appoints an editor and together they   work on the book to produce the manuscript which will ultimately be   submitted to the publishers. In this case, Srila Prabhupada wrote the   first draft and then worked with Hayagriva Prabhu and other editors to   prepare the manuscript for his <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>, which was ultimately presented to MacMillan &amp; Co. for printing. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Imagine   that you write the first draft of a book and appoint an editor. You   work with your editor on a daily basis for months until together you   produce a manuscript you are happy with and your book is published. Your   book becomes a worldwide best seller and you are very happy with it.  It  is a spiritual book and by reading it many of the readers have   incredible life-changing experiences. They also become very attached to   your book. Your book is praised by scholars worldwide with rave  reviews.  Then many years later, after you have left your body, somebody  finds  the first draft of your book and decides to “correct” your  published  book based on your first draft. Of course you were never  intending to  publish this first draft. That is why you spent so much  time and energy  working with your editor on that first draft to  transform it into a  manuscript you actually wanted to present to the  publishers. How angry  would you be with this fool who wants to undo  your work and your  editors’ work by going back to the first draft? </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Jayadviata   Swami, by going back to the first draft, is eliminating so many   corrections and so much work that Srila Prabhupada personally did on his   book with Hayagriva and his other editors. This is a great disservice   to Srila Prabhupada. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Jayadviata Swami is insisting that his version of the history of the editing of Srila Prabhupada’s <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em> is correct. And what is his version of the history? He has turned to   “smoke and mirrors” to try and bewilder the devotees into believing a   false history. In the “history according to Jayadvaita’s imagination”,   Srila Prabhupada only typed and dictated the first draft of his <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em> and handed it over to his editors and did not work with his editors on   the book. In this way he claims the first draft that he has is   authoritative and he is justified in changing the printed book if he can   find something different in the first draft. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">On his website he debunks “The myth that Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva together carefully reviewed the completed text of <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>“.   He does this by debunking a statement by Govinda dasi, who saw Srila   Prabhupada and Hayagriva working together on editing Prabhupada’s books   in 1968 in Los Angeles. Prabhupada and Hayagriva were actually working   together on editing Srimad-Bhagavatam at that time. And according to   Jayadvaita, that “proves” that Prabhupada and Hayagriva did not work   together on editing the Gita. Strange logic, but we are expected to   believe the Swami anyhow. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">In a recent blog post [also appearing in today's edition of the Sun – "<a href="http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/10-10/editorials6666.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Book Changes: History Really Does Back the BBT</strong></a>"] Jayadvaita continues to try and distort and change the history: </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">“And so the image of Srila Prabhupada sitting with Hayagriva in December of 1968 carefully going over every verse of <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>,   seeing to the finishing touches, is a persistent image of something   that never took place. That’s the truth. Here’s the timeline. See for   yourself.” (Jayadvaita Swami) </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Then   he goes on to present many quotes from Srila Prabhupada that are   supposed to prove that Srila Prabhupada did not work with his editors on   the <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em> at all. However, Krishna slipped one quote into his article that completely blows his cover: </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong>December 14, 1967:</strong> Srila Prabhupada writes Rayarama, “I have already sent you the purports   of each and every sloka that you sent me for correction. . . . As soon   as you finish the Gitopanisad business and the matter is handed over  to  the MacMillan Co. we begin on the Bhagavatam work without delay.” </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Here   Jayadvaita is letting us know that Rayarama, while he was editing   Bhagavad-gita, was in constant contact with Srila Prabhupada and was   asking many questions about the editing, which Srila Prabhupada was   answering. “I have already sent you the purports of each and every sloka   that you sent me for correction.”  So even with Rayarama’s editing he   was asking Prabhupada many questions and Prabhupada was sending him  many  corrections to his “first draft”. None of these corrections by  Srila  Prabhupada are present in what Jayadvaita refers to as “the  original  manuscript.” This alone completely blows away any  justification for  using this document as any sort of authority, as it  does not include the  many corrections that Srila Prabhupada made to it  while Rayarama was  working on editing his Bhagavad-gita. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The   real world is quite different from Jayadviata’s imaginary world.  Even   though the Swami constantly says, “It’s not true!” Srila Prabhupada  and  Hayagriva did work together for almost three months in 1967 editing  <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>, during this period Hayagriva Prabhu was consulting Srila Prabhupada daily on almost every verse in the <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>.   It’s not a myth, it’s history, and this history completely destroys  any  justification at all for changing Prabhupada’s Gita based on   Prabhupada’s first draft of the book (or the “original manuscript”, as   the Swami calls it). </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">If   you ask Jayadvaita about this he will lie and tell you: “It could not   have happened. Prabhupada and Hayagriva were never living together.  It’s  an Internet myth…”  All lies and deception, unfortunately. It is   frightening to think that such a deceptive, dishonest character has been   given full authority to change anything at all he wants to change in   Prabhupada’s books without any system of checks and balances at all. He   can change anything, print the changed books without even disclosing   what he has changed. And he smiles and says, “You just have to accept   it…” </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The   proof that Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva worked together daily  editing  Bhagavad-gita for almost three months in 1967 can be found in  Hayagriva  Prabhu’s wonderful book, “The Hare Krishna Explosion”: </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong>January 17, 1967:</strong> Prabhupada arrives in San Francisco from New York. Hayagriva Prabhu is   there to meet him.  Prabhupada is still translating Bhagavad-gita and   Hayagriva is there with him: </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">“Swamiji   continues translating Bhagavad-gita. He is so eager to print it that  we  begin negotiations with a local printer. Prices are very high. In  New  York, Brahmananda continues his pursuit of publishers.” </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">So Hayagriva is negotiating on Srila Prabhupada’s behalf with a local printer to print Prabhupada’s <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>. Finishing his translation of <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>,   working with Hayagriva Prabhu to edit it and getting it printed are   clearly the most important projects on Srila Prabhupada’s agenda at this   time. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Hayagriva is still in San Francisco on January 29th, two weeks later, for the big concert featuring the Grateful Dead. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Hayagriva is still with Srila Prabhupada in San Francisco in February: </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">“The   days of February are beautiful with perfect temperatures in the   seventies, fog rolling off early, skies very blue and clear, sun falling   bright and sharp on the lush foliage of Golden Gate Park. The park   encloses the largest variety of plant and tree life to be found in any   one spot on earth. We are at a loss to identify plants for Swamiji.” </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Hayagriva has settled down in the ISKCON San Francisco temple (a storefront near Golden Gate Park) and he is working there: </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">“I   rent an electric typewriter, set it up in the back temple room, and   continue typing up stencils for Back To Godhead, writing and editing   [Bhagavad-gita] while Harsharani sends people after food, and cooks noon   prasadam.” </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Hayagriva is the only devotee living in the San Francisco temple and is the “Temple Commander”: </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">“Being   the only person living in the temple proper, and one of the senior   devotees besides, I’m naturally looked to as the temple commander, a   role I often find myself regretting.” </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">All this time Hayagriva is living with Srila Prabhupada and his main service is editing Bhagavad-gita: </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">“Apart   from kirtans, I find myself spending many sunny hours in the park,   walking past the tennis courts to large, quiet bowers surrounded with   hybiscus and eucalyptus. And at times <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">I sit in the shade beneath the white and pink rhododendrons and edit Bhagavad-gita</span></strong>.   After editing, I sometimes visit the museum and stroll through the   replica eighteenth century gardens, chanting my daily rounds while   perusing the curlicues of rococo art.” </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Hayagriva   is still in San Francisco together with Srila Prabhupada on February   27th. This is now six weeks in the personal association of Srila   Prabhupada, working with him editing his <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">He is still there with Srila Prabhupada in March: </span></span></p>
<ul>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">“Golden   Gate Park is redolent with March flowers. The morning fog disperses   early, and the days are cloudless and blue. Thousands continue to flock   to San Francisco from the midwest and east, and our Sunday kirtans   attract big crowds… On Tuesday evenings, we go to the beach with   Swamiji and hold unforgettable Pacific Ocean sunset kirtans. Sitting on   the sand, we watch the tide roll in, or chant and wait for the sun to   dip below the horizon. After chanting, we roast potatoes and smear them   with melted butter. Swamiji eats with us, sitting on a big log. And   after potatoes, we roast marshmallows, and red apples stuffed with   raisins and brown sugar.” </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">All throughout this time (now over two months) Hayagriva is working editing Prabhupada’s <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>, consulting Srila Prabhupada on almost every verse: </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">“Although   I write on the Lord Chaitanya play through the spring days, my primary   service is helping Swamiji with Bhagavad-gita. He continues  translating,  hurrying to complete the manuscript but still annotating  each verse  thoroughly in his purports. <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Daily, I consult him to make certain that the translation of each verse precisely coincides with the meaning he wants to relate.</span></strong> “Edit for force and clarity,” he tells me. “By Krishna’s grace, you are   a qualified English professor. You know how grammatical mistakes will   discredit us with scholars. I want them to appreciate this  Bhagavad-gita  as the definitive edition. All the others try to take  credit away from  Krishna.” </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">“I am swamped with editing. Since much of the text is equivocal due to grammar, <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">I find myself consulting Swamiji on nearly every verse.</span></strong> It seems that in Sanskrit, Hindi, and Bengali, phrase is tacked onto phrase until the original subject is lost.” </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong>March 21:</strong> Hayagriva is still in San Francisco working daily with Srila Prabhupada on editing <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>… So far this is almost nine weeks constantly with Srila Prabhupada… </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><strong>April 9:</strong> </span></span></p>
<ul>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">“Swamiji   leaves for the airport. Before entering the car, he stops, cane in   hand, and gives a long look at the little storefront temple. It is a   look that says a great deal. Gurudas snaps a photo at that very instant.   ‘That’s a farewell look,’ I think to myself.” </span></span></p>
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<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">So   Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva worked together on editing the   Bhagavad-gita daily during the almost three months while Hayagriva   Prabhu was living with him in the San Francisco temple, from Janurary   17, 1967 until April 9, 1967. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Jayadvaita Swami [desperately]: “IT JUST DID NOT HAPPEN!!!” </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The history is the history. Srila Prabhupada worked on the first draft of <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em> extensively with both Hayagriva Prabhu and Rayarama Prabhu. In the   three months Hayagriva went through practically every verse with Srila   Prabhupada and Prabhupada also sent many corrections to Rayarama Prabhu   later on. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">At that time Macmillan were only able to print 400 pages, so Rayarama abridged Prabhupada’s <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>.   Prabhupada was not happy with this and wanted to publish the complete   edition. Hayagriva was again called on by Srila Prabhupada for  producing  the manuscript, which was submitted to Macmillan for the  publication of  the complete 1,000 page edition in 1972. At this time  there were at  least exchanges of letters between Srila Prabhupada and  Hayagriva and  Prabhupada was still giving him many instructions related  to the editing  and answering the questions he had in regard to the  editing. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">So   Jayadvaita’s “history” that Srila Prabhupada did not work with his   disciples on editing Bhagavad-gita is nothing more than smoke and   mirrors. It is a dishonest attempt to mislead the devotees and cover-up   the real history. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The authoritative edition of Srila Prabhupada’s <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em> is the final published 1972 “Complete Edition.” Not the first draft   that Jayadvaita calls the “manuscript.” Srila Prabhupada spent   considerable time, energy and effort working with his editors Hayagriva   Prabhu and Rayarama Prabhu to take his first draft to the real   manuscript — the manuscript which was submitted for publishing to   MacMillan. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Changes to the final published book cannot be justified by referring to the first draft. This is a great mistake. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">People   are not so foolish. The truth is the truth. Eventually Jayadvaita’s   smoke and mirrors will stop working and the blind followers will wake up   and see the truth. </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Chant Hare Krishna and be happy! </span></span></p>
<p style="text-align: justify;"><span style="font-family: verdana;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Your servant,<br />
Madhudvisa dasa </span></span></p>
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		<title>The Spin Doctor Has Gone Too Far!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In his rebuttal of Mother Govinda dasi’s letter, “Book Changes: History Backs the BBT“,   Jayadvaita Swami asserts that history supports his very strange claim   that Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva did not work together on the  editing  of Srila Prabhupada’s Bhagavad-gita. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his rebuttal of Mother Govinda dasi’s letter, “<a href="http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/08-10/editorials6459.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Book Changes: History Backs the BBT</strong></a>“,   Jayadvaita Swami asserts that history supports his very strange claim   that Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva did not work together on the  editing  of Srila Prabhupada’s Bhagavad-gita. </p>
<p>He   claims that Mother Govinda dasi was wrong and that she did not ever  see  Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva working together on Srila  Prabhupada’s  Bhagavad-gita. He very much respects his godsister, but  still claims she  could never have seen this… She is just plain wrong. </p>
<p>And   as the master of spin, he has quoted Srila Prabhupada to “prove” that   Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva never worked together on the editing of   Srila Prabhupada’s Bhagavad-gita. And what is that quote? </p>
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<p>“Recently,   Hayagriva came from Columbus, and he remained with me for more than a   fortnight. He was assisting me in editing Srimad-Bhagavatam. Now he is   married with Syama Dasi and has returned to New Vrindaban with his many   responsibilities.”<br />
<em>(Letter to Rupanuga, January 15, 1969)</em> </ul>
<p>So   Jayadvaita is trying to “spin” this quote where Prabhupada clearly  says  he and Hayagriva were working together editing Srimad-Bhagavatam  to  “prove” that Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva did not work together   editing the Bhagavad-gita… You have to laugh… or cry.  Who could  accept  this “logic”? </p>
<p>If   Prabhupada and Hayagriva were working together at the end of 1968 on   the Bhagavatam then surely that would indicate they worked together   similarly on the Bhagavad-gita in 1967? </p>
<p>We know that Hayagriva was working on editing the Bhagavad-gita in August of 1967. </p>
<p>Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Hayagriva, August 29, 1967: </p>
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<p>“…   am very glad to receive your first letter to me in India. So far Gita   is concerned, please get it completed as soon as possible; it must be   published now,…” </p>
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<p>This   work was disturbed by Kirtanananda, who returned from India to New  York  with a strange philosophy and convinced Hayagriva to go off with  him to  start another spiritual center that turned out to be the New  Vrindavan  Farm community. So Hayagriva was out of the picture for a  couple of  months. </p>
<p>Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Brahmananda, November 18, 1967: </p>
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<p>“As   he [Rayarama] is now engaged in finishing Gita Upanisad, it is   understood that he cannot work. The editing of Gita Upanisad is already   much delayed. I think it was in this month of November last year [1966]   my compilation of Gita Upanisad was finished. The editing work was  first  entrusted with Rayarama, but as he could not finish it the work  was  transferred to Hayagriva. In this way even within one year the  editing  work could not be finished. This is not very encouraging. Now  it must be  finished within three weeks and hand it over to MacMillan  Co. Today I  shall go to the travel agent’s office for booking my seat  and may start  by next Monday or Tuesday. In my next letter I shall let  you and Mukunda  know of my journey from Calcutta to San Francisco, via  Bangkok, Hong  Kong etc. Hope you are well.” </p>
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<p>So we can see Srila Prabhupada finished writing the <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em> in November 1966. Editing was given to Rayarama, who could not complete   it, and then editing was transferred to Hayagriva sometime in 1967   [before Prabhupada went to India]. Then Hayagriva left with Kirtanananda   for a couple of months and in this time Prabhupada tried to get   Rayarama to complete the editing, but it seems again he could not finish   it and it was again handed back to Hayagriva to complete. </p>
<p>Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Hayagriva, March 17, 1968: </p>
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<p>“I   thank you very much for your letter dated March 9, 1968. I have come   back to San Francisco on the 8th March, and while I was in Los Angeles   for two months, I received the balance portion of Bhagavad-gita edited   by you. I am expecting the foreword also, but I can understand that it   was not yet dispatched. So, when it is prepared you can send it to me   here in S.F. I am so glad to understand that you are missing the   atmosphere of S.F. which you so nicely enjoyed last year, and similarly,   I am also missing your company which I enjoyed last year here. </p>
<p>Whenever   I go to the class, I remember you, how joyfully you were chanting in   the Temple, and whistling the bugle so nicely. Whenever I see the cornet   lying idle because nobody can play on this particular instrument, I   remember Hayagriva Brahmacari immediately.”</p>
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<p>In   this very revealing letter we find that Rayarama again did not  complete  the editing and again the job of finishing the editing of the <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em> was given to Hayagriva, and by sometime in February 1968, Srila   Prabhupada received the “balance portion” of Bhagavad-gita edited by   Hayagriva. Now Prabhupada is only waiting for the edited foreword to   come from Hayagriva and the manuscript will be complete. </p>
<p>The   most important point: “I am also missing your company which I enjoyed   last year here. Whenever I go to the class, I remember you, how  joyfully  you were chanting in the Temple, and whistling the bugle so  nicely.” </p>
<p>Srila   Prabhupada and Hayagriva were living together in San Francisco in  1967,  which is the time when Hayagriva did most of the Bhagavad-gita  editing.  So this would be the time when Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva  sat  together regularly and discussed the editing of <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>. How can anyone think that in 1967, when Srila Prabhupada had just finished writing his <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em> in December of 1966, and now he was living in San Francisco with   Hayagriva Prabhu, that they did not discuss the editing of   Bhagavad-gita, which was the most important project in ISKCON at that   time? </p>
<p>Hayagriva also remembers, in his <em>Hare Krishna Explosion</em> book, consulting with Srila Prabhupada daily on the editing work for <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>. How does spin-doctor Jayadvaita Swami deal with this? </p>
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<p>“Hayagriva   does speak of consulting Srila Prabhupada “daily” throughout the  spring  of ’67. But Hayagriva’s memory must have been tricking him: In  the time  he speaks of, he was in San Francisco, Srila Prabhupada in New  York.” </p>
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<p>Strange.   Both Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva and Govinda dasi all remember  being  together in 1967. But our spin doctor is saying “No no no. It’s  not  true. It’s not true… Hayagriva imagined it, Govinda dasi imagined  it  and Prabhupada imagined it…” </p>
<p>Jayadvaita   Swami, I think everyone can agree, is great at spinning things. But   here he has overstepped all reasonable boundaries. To try and spin Srila   Prabhupada and Hayagriva working together editing the Bhagavatam and   use this to “prove” that Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva did not work   together on editing the Bhagavad-gita is JUST TOO MUCH… </p>
<p>And   we have the testimony now of Srila Prabhupada, Hayagriva Prabhu and   Govinda dasi, who all recall Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva working   together daily on the editing of Bhagavad-gita in 1967 in San Francisco. </p>
<p>So the conclusion:  Jayadvaita Swami is “just plain wrong…” </p>
<p>One visitor to <a href="http://www.bookchanges.com/" target="_blank"><strong>www.BookChanges.com</strong></a> left a very nice comment a couple of days ago: </p>
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<p>Submitted on 2010/08/22 at 8:42am </p>
<p>Dear Prabhujis </p>
<p>I   have been listening to this controversy around the edited books, and I   would like to make a suggestion/statement. If I had an employee that   cost my business one million dollars through a lawsuit that I didn’t win   I would fire that employee. Pure and Simple. </p>
<p>His   Holiness JaiAdvaita Swami Maharaj should be “put out to pasture” and   preach the glories of Lord Caitanya throughout the world. That is his   job as a Sanyasi. He is now old like the rest of us, and sufficiently   realized in his Krishna Consciousness to have a profound preaching   result. </p>
<p>His   work as Editor of Srila Prabhupada’s books has now come to an end, and   it will cost millions more to reverse this mess. Send him on the road  as  a senior devotee. Hari Bol! </p>
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<p>PS:   Dravida’s post does not deserve a reply. We all admit that there are   some genuine typographical errors in the Bhagavad-gita and no one is   complaining about correcting genuine typographical errors. Dravida is   trying to use the tactics Jayadvaita Swami was using ten years ago. We   have gone past that stage now. Some of the changes he mentions also   should not have been changed. But I am not going to go down that path.   For further information, please refer to <a href="http://www.bookchanges.com/" target="_blank"><strong>www.BookChanges.com</strong></a>. </p>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the first time a complete computerized comparison of Srila Prabhuapda’s original 1972 Macmillan Bhagavad-gita As It Is and the current ISKCON “Revised and enlarged” edition is available. It is amazing, and surprising to see all the changes so clearly pointed out.
This is a side-by-side comparison of Srila Prabhuapda’s original Macmillan Bhagavad-gita As It Is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the first time a complete computerized comparison of Srila Prabhuapda’s original 1972 Macmillan <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is </em>and the current ISKCON <em>“</em>Revised and enlarged<em>” </em>edition is available. It is amazing, and surprising to see all the changes so clearly pointed out.</p>
<p>This is a side-by-side comparison of Srila Prabhuapda’s original Macmillan <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is </em>(on the left hand side) and ISKCON’s <em>“</em>Revised and Enlarged<em>” </em>edition [on the right hand side].</p>
<p>The Macmillan edition comes from the <em>Bhaktivdanta Vedabase 2003 </em>and does contain some scanning errors, occasionally there are words that have characters in them that are incorrect. ISKCON’s <em>Revised and Enlarged </em>edition comes from the <em>Bhaktivedanta Vedabase 3.1.</em></p>
<p>Because of the way the diff program we used works in some cases we  had to make the format of the Sanskrit verses the same in both books,  otherwise the diff program would go crazy. Often in the original editon a  Sanskrit verse would be quoted on four lines and in ISKCON’s “Revised  and Enlarged”<em> </em>edition it is only quoted on two [longer] lines.  So to get a clear comparison we have made the Sanskrit verses on the  same number of lines in both books. Also sometimes we had to break a  paragraph or join a paragraph in one of the books, again so the diff  program would give the proper output.</p>
<p>We have only compared the translations and purports for Chapter 1-18.  For clarity we have not compared the word-for-word synonyms, even  though there are a lot of changes in the synonyms.</p>
<p>Apart from any scanning errors and the slight format adjustments we  had to make you will very clearly see all the changes that have been  made between the two versions of Srila Prabhuapda’s <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em> in a way that was never possible before.</p>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-1-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 1: Observing the Armies on the Battlefield of Kuruksetra</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-2-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 2: Contents of the Gita Summarized</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-3-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 3: Karma-yoga</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-4-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 4: Transcendental Knowledge</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-5-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 5: Karma-yoga-Action in Krsna Consciousness</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-6-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 6: Sankhya-yoga</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-7-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 7: Knowledge of the Absolute</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-8-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 8: Attaining the Supreme</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-9-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 9: The Most Confidential Knowledge</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-10-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 10: The Opulence of the Absolute</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-11-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 11: The Universal Form</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-12-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 12: Devotional Service</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-13-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 13: Nature, the Enjoyer, and Consciousness</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-14-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 14: The Three Modes of Material Nature</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-15-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 15: The Yoga of the Supreme Person</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-16-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 16: The Divine and Demoniac Natures</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-17-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 17: The Divisions of Faith</a></div>
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<div><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Bg-Chapter-18-diff.htm" target="_blank">Bg 18: Conclusion-The Perfection of Renunciation</a></div>
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		<description><![CDATA[Published for the first time. The manuscript of Bhagavad-gita As It Is.
This is the “original manuscript” referred to by Jayadvaita Swami  which he uses to justify the BBT changes to Srila Prabhuapda’s Gita.
As I have noted elsewhere ISKCON’s New Gita Closer to the Manuscript? Not Really…
this manuscript is not the authority, the published book [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Published for the first time. The manuscript of <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>.</p>
<p>This is the “original manuscript” referred to by Jayadvaita Swami  which he uses to justify the BBT changes to Srila Prabhuapda’s Gita.</p>
<p>As I have noted elsewhere <a href="../closer-to-the-manuscript-not-really/" target="_blank">ISKCON’s New Gita Closer to the Manuscript? Not Really…</a><br />
this manuscript is not the authority, the published book is the  authority. However out of interest we have decided to publish the  “original manuscript” also.</p>
<p>The manuscript is presented as .pdf files and can best be viewed with  the Adobe PDF viewer which can be downloaded free of charge from  www.Adobe.com</p>
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<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/00-Introduction.pdf" target="_blank">Introduction</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/01-Chapter-1.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 1: Observing the Armies on the Battlefield of Kuruksetra</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/02-Chapter2.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 2: Contents of the Gita Summarized</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/03-Chapter-3.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 3: Karma-yoga</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/04-Chapter-4.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 4: Transcendental Knowledge</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/05-Chapter-5.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 5: Karma-yoga-Action in Krsna Consciousness</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/06-Chapter-6.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 6: Sankhya-yoga</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/07-Chapter-7.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 7: Knowledge of the Absolute</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/08-Chapter-8.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 8: Attaining the Supreme</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/09-Chapter-9.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 9: The Most Confidential Knowledge</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/10-Chapter-10.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 10: The Opulence of the Absolute</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/11-Chapter-11.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 11: The Universal Form</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/12-Chapter-12.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 12: Devotional Service</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/13-Chapter-13.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 13: Nature, the Enjoyer, and Consciousness</a></li>
<li>Chapter 14: The Three Modes of Material Nature</li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/15-Chapter-15.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 15: The Yoga of the Supreme Person</a></li>
<li><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/09/16-Chapter-16.pdf" target="_blank">Chapter 16: The Divine and Demoniac Natures</a></li>
<li>Chapter 17: The Divisions of Faith</li>
<li>Chapter 18: Conclusion-The Perfection of Renunciation</li>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The “defense” Jayadavaita Swami uses in justifying his changes to Srila Prabhupada’s Bhagavad-gita As It Is is “I have made it closer to the original manuscript…” This is not a good defense.
Just imagine if I write a book and find an editor I trust and and  give him the service of editing my manuscript [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The “defense” Jayadavaita Swami uses in justifying his changes to Srila Prabhupada’s <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is </em>is “I have made it closer to the original manuscript…” This is not a good defense.</p>
<p>Just imagine if I write a book and find an editor I trust and and  give him the service of editing my manuscript for publication. I work  with the editor, answering his questions and give him guidance on how to  edit the book. Then I supervise all aspects of the production of the  book and see and approve of the final blueprint.  When the book is  printed, it is that book which is the authorized and authoritative  version of my book. <strong>Not my first manuscript. </strong></p>
<p>If later on someone finds my first manuscript and notes that there  are some differences in the first manuscript to the printed book and he  decides to “correct” my book back to my original manuscript he is doing  me a great disservice.</p>
<p>The whole idea of having an editor and working with him to produce  the final book is to produce something which will be somewhat different  from the original manuscript. If Prabhupada wanted to publish his  original manuscript, unedited, he could have done that. But, no, he  appointed an editor and worked with that editor to produce the final  result and he was very happy with the published book.</p>
<p>So the whole justification of the ISKCON book changes is completely wrong. <strong>The authoritative version of Srila Prabhupada’s <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is </em>is the 1972 Macmillan Complete Edition. Not the so-called “original manuscript.”</strong> The 1972 Macmillan Complete Edition is the book used by Srila  Prabhuapda personally on a daily basis for his reading and for giving  all his <em>Bhagavad-gita </em>classes from. Srila Prabhuapda read his whole published <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is </em>many times and he had his disciples read large sections of it out aloud which he would comment on during class. And these <em>Bhagavad-gita </em>readings with commentaries by Srila Prabhuapda were recored.</p>
<p>In the six years from 1972 to 1977 Srila Prabhuapda only mentioned two or three things he wanted corrected in his <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>, however at no point did he ever authorize anyone to “revise and enlarge” it. And this fact is openly admitted by the BBT.</p>
<p>Prabhuapda did not give anyone the authority to change his <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>.  But the BBT changed it anyhow. This Prabhuapda referred to as the  “American disease.” Change, change, change. This constant change is very  destructive to spiritual life.</p>
<p>Understanding this point, <strong>that the manuscript is not the authority but the printed 1972 Macmillan “Complete Edition” is</strong>, still I was a little interested to see if it was actually true that Jayadvaita’s changes to <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>,  make it closer to the original manuscript. Here are some of the changes  I have mentioned in the past[these are the ones from the "<a href="../108-iskcon-bhagavad-gita-changes/" target="_blank">108 Changes article</a>"] along with what Jayadvaita Swami calls the “original manuscript.”</p>
<p>This short study clearly shows that although there are some cases where he has “made it closer to the manuscript”  <strong>in the majority of cases Jayadvaita Swami’s changes are not connected with or supported by the original manuscript at all</strong>.  And there are so many differences in the manuscript that he does not  change. So the manuscript is obviously not the reason for his changes  and this defense “I have simply made it closer to the manuscript” is a  smokescreen only, an attempt to cover up why he really made these  changes.</p>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.8 P ORIGINAL 72 GITA:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #000040;">…they can achieve real happiness only if they consult Krsna, or the <em>Bhagavad-gita</em> and <em>Srimad-Bhagavatam</em>–which constitute the science of Krsna–</span><span style="color: red;">or</span><span style="color: #ff0000;"> </span>the bona fide representative of Krsna, the man in Krsna consciousness.</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.8 P REVISED &amp; ENLARGED:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>…they can achieve real happiness only if they consult Krsna, or the <em>Bhagavad-gita </em>and <em>Srimad-Bhagavatam</em>–which constitute the science of Krsna–<span style="color: green;">through </span>the bona fide representative of Krsna, the man in Krsna consciousness. <img src="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2.8.jpg" alt="" width="620" /> <span style="text-decoration: underline;">This change has absolutely no justification in the manuscript</span>.  The original translation follows the original manuscript. Original  manuscript says one can be happy if he consults Bhagavad Gita or Srimad  Bhagavatam which constitute the science of Krishna from the bona fide  representative of Krishna [which means you can achieve real happiness by  consulting Bhagavad Gita or Srimad Bhagavatam if it is presented by the  bona fide representative of Krishna, so the books are only good if  presented by a bond fide representative of Krishna, like Prabhuapda's  books are] <em><strong>OR</strong></em> the man in Krishna  consciousness. The original translation puts it slightly differently but  still comes up with the same conclusion, the same philosophy, howerver  JAS is giving us a completely different conclusion. So as far as I can  see that “-from the bona fide representative of Krishna” in the  manuscript is saying that the books have to be from the bona fide  representative of Krishna, and the second part is OR the man in Krishna  consciousness. There is no question about the philosophy here. That is  correct.The book Bhagavata and the person Bhagavata are the same and one  can get the same benefit either from the book Bhagavata or the person  Bhagavata. This idea is presented in Prabhupada’s original Gita, but not  JAS’s edition. So according to JAS’s presentation you can not get real  happiness from the Bhagavatam or Bhagavad-gita book, you can only get  this “through the man in Krishna consciousness.” This is a very  misleading and philosophically incorrect presentation. The book  Bhagavata has to be presented, means written, by the bona fide  representative of Krishna, so one can become completely Krishna  conscious by reading this book Bhagavata which has been written by the  bona fide representative of Krishna. JAS’s translation makes it appear  that this is not possible. Therefore it is presenting incorrect  philosophy, even though it may seem to be an attempt to make it closer  to the original manuscript, he has made the philosophy incorrect.</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.18 P ORIGINAL:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>…The body itself is unimportant. Arjuna was advised to fight and <span style="color: red;">to</span> sacrifice the <span style="color: red;">material body for the</span> cause of religion.</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.18 P REVISED &amp; ENLARGED:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>…The body itself is unimportant. Arjuna was advised to fight and <span style="color: green;">not</span> sacrifice the cause of religion <span style="color: green;">for material, bodily considerations</span>. <img src="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2.18.jpg" alt="" width="620" /> <span style="text-decoration: underline;">This change has absolutely no justification in the manuscript</span>.  The original translation perfectly follows the manuscript. The original  manuscript clearly says “Arjuna was advised to fight without  consideration of the material body and sacrifice [it to] the cause of  religiosity.” That is exactly what the original translation says with  slightly better wording. However what JAS has put is completely  meaningless gobbledygook. What on earth does it mean to “fight and not  sacrifice the cause of religion for material, bodily considerations???”  It is a completely meaningless and confusing statement. Here JAS is  clearly tying to change something that appeared in the original  manuscript. Original manuscript clearly says Krishna asked Arjuna to  fight without consideration of the material body and to sacrifice it to  the cause of religiosity. You can not find this anywhere in JAS’s Gita…</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.25 T ORIGINAL:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable<span style="color: red;">, </span>immutable <span style="color: red;">and unchangeable</span>. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body.</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.25 T REVISED &amp; ENLARGED:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable <span style="color: green;">and </span>immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body. <img src="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2.25.jpg" alt="" width="620" /> <span style="text-decoration: underline;">This change has absolutely no justification in the manuscript</span>.  The word “unchangeable” is clearly there in the manuscript in both the  translation and the word-for-word meanings. But JAS has simply deleted  it.</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.30 T ORIGINAL:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the body <span style="color: red;">is eternal and </span>can never be slain. Therefore you need not grieve for any <span style="color: red;">creature</span>.</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.30 T REVISED &amp; ENLARGED:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the body can never be slain. Therefore you need not grieve for any <span style="color: green;">living being</span>. <img src="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2.30.jpg" alt="" width="620" /> <span style="text-decoration: underline;">This change has absolutely no justification in the manuscript</span>.  This is something of a mystery. You can see the manuscript really does  not very closely resemble the original published edition, but more  importantly it does not resemble JAS’s changed version either. We can  only assume that there was some conversation with Srila Prabhuapda that  resulted in this translation. In any case the original editors would  have been justified in putting “eternal” into the translation on the  basis that the word “nityam” appears in the verse and Srila Prabhuapda  translates this to “eternally,” however Jayadvaita can not be justified  in removing the word “eternal” from the translation as he says he  changes Prabhupada’s translations to match the Sanskrit word-for-word.  In this case he has changed the original translation and made it  inconsistent with the word-for-word synonyms. There is absolute proof  that Srila Prabhuapda accepted this verse, and the inclusion of  “eternal” in the translation as it was presented in his original <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>,  and you can read that below. So there is absolutely no reason  whatsoever for JAS to remove the word “eternal” from the translation  while otherwise keeping the version presented by the editors of the  original edition that does not really appear to be very close to the  original manuscript anyhow. This one verse is ample proof that JAS is  not “making it closer to the original manuscript.” Here his translation  is exactly like the Macmillan edition using the “he who dwells in the  body can never be slain,” which does not appear in the manuscript, JAS  has simply deleted the “is eternal” for reasons only known to him. The  “eternal” is in the word-for-word, “nityam,” there is nothing wrong with  the original editors putting it in the verse as is very clearly shown  by Srila Prabhuapda himself below. It is only necessary to listen to  Srila Prabhuapda’s classes to resolve all these points.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>“O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the body is  eternal and can never be slain. Therefore you need not grieve for any  creature.”</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Prabhupada: </strong><em>Dehi nityam avadhyo ‘yam dehe sarvasya bharata. Dehe, dehe</em> means body, within the body. This topic began, <em>dehino ‘smin yatha dehe kaumaram yauvanam jara. Deha, dehi. Dehi</em> means one who possesses the body. Just like <em>guni. Asthate</em> in <em>prata.</em> The grammatical. <em>Guna,</em> in, <em>deha,</em> in, in <em>prata. Dehin sabda.</em> So the nominative case of <em>dehin sabda</em> is <em>dehi. Dehi nityam,</em> eternal. In so many ways, Krsna has explained. <em>Nityam,</em> eternal. Indestructible, immutable. It does not take birth, it does not die, it is always, constantly the same. <em>Na hanyate hanyamane sarire.</em> In this way, again he says <em>nityam,</em> eternal. (730831BG.LON) So here Srila Prabhuapda clearly confirms that  the word eternal (nityam) belongs in this verse. But for some completely  unknown reason, not supported by the manuscript, and not supported by  Prabhuapda personally, JAS has decided to delete the word eternal…</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.31 P ORIGINAL:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>…Discharging one’s specific duty in any field of action in accordance with <span style="color: red;"><em>varnasrama-dharma</em></span> serves to elevate one to a higher status of life.</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.31 P REVISED &amp; ENLARGED:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>…Discharging one’s specific duty in any field of action in accordance with <span style="color: green;">the orders of higher authorities </span>serves to elevate one to a higher status of life. <img src="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2.31.jpg" alt="" width="620" /> I guess here it might be possible to argue that JAS has made it closer  to the original manuscript. However my opinion on this is we should  respect the original editors and it is not unreasonable to assume that  the higher authority is the Varnasrama Dharma system since the whole  purport is speaking of this Varnasrama system and the original editor  may not have like to have it saying …higher authority… higher status of  life. Such things that are philosophically and gramatically correct  should not be changed to satisfy some pedantic editor. There is nothing  wrong with the original at all.</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.40 P ORIGINAL:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>If someone gives up <span style="color: red;">self-gratificatory pursuits</span> and works in Krsna consciousness and then falls down on account of not completing his work, what loss is there on his part?</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.40 P REVISED &amp; ENLARGED:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>If someone gives up <span style="color: green;">his occupational duties</span> and works in Krsna consciousness and then falls down on account of not completing his work, what loss is there on his part? <img src="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2.40.jpg" alt="" width="620" /> Here you may be able to make a case that JAS has made it closer to the  manuscript. Maybe you could even make a case that this is a valid  correction. But you see this is the first one so far and I am being  impartial here. I am not just picking out the quotes for this  presentation. I am going through ALL the quotes I gave in this “108  Changes” article and I did not look at the manuscript before writing  that article.</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.48 T ORIGINAL:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: red;">Be steadfast in yoga, O Arjuna. </span>Perform your duty <span style="color: red;">and</span> abandon all attachment to success or failure. Such <span style="color: red;">evenness of mind</span> is called yoga.</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.48 T REVISED &amp; ENLARGED:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>Perform your duty <span style="color: green;">equipoised, O Arjuna,</span> abandon<span style="color: green;">ing</span> all attachment to success or failure. Such <span style="color: green;">equanimity</span> is called yoga. <img src="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2.48.jpg" alt="" width="620" /> The original translation to this verse has been very clearly approved  by Srila Prabhupada personally and considering this to change it and  delete points that Prabhuapda has stressed on so strongly is a great  mistake and very offensive to Srila Prabhupada. Why the editors do not  listen to Srila Prabhuapda’s classes before they butcher his books?</p></blockquote>
<p>(7) When Tamala Krsna read the verse to Srila Prabhupada in 1968 (681216BG.LA) Prabhupada had this to say:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Tamala Krsna:</strong> “Be steadfast in your duty, O Arjuna, and abandon all attachment to success or failure. Such evenness of mind is called yoga.”</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Prabhupada:</strong> This is the explanation of yoga, evenness of mind. <em>Yoga-samatvam ucyate.</em> If you work for Krsna, then there is no cause of lamentation or  jubilation. Jubilation is there because you are working for Krsna, but  there is no cause of lamentation. <em>Yoga-sthah kuru karmani, yogah karmasu kausalam.</em> That is the secret of activities, how you can very diligently work at  the same time you are not entangled with the actions. That is the  secret. Go on. So JAS has completely deleted this “evenneess of mind”  from the verse, even though Prabhuapda clearly states that “this is the  explanation of yoga, evenness of mind.”???</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.49 T ORIGINAL:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>O Dhananjaya, <span style="color: red;">rid yourself of all fruitive activities</span> by devotional service, and <span style="color: red;">surrender fully to</span> that consciousness. Those who want to enjoy the fruits of their work are misers.</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.49 T REVISED &amp; ENLARGED:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p>O Dhananjaya, <span style="color: green;">keep all abominable activities far distant</span> by devotional service, and <span style="color: green;">in</span> that consciousness <span style="color: green;">surrender unto the Lord</span>. Those who want to enjoy the fruits of their work are misers. <img src="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2.49.jpg" alt="" width="620" /> Here JAS is making it closer to the manuscript and he is backed up by  the word-for-word synomyms also. This is perhaps the best example so far  but I must admit to having an uncomfortable feeling about this  manuscript page that seems to have been typed with two different  typewriters. And I do not know how that would be possible?</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.51 T ORIGINAL:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: red;">The wise,</span> engag<span style="color: red;">ed</span> in devotional service <span style="color: red;">take refuge in</span> <span style="color: black;">the Lord</span> <span style="color: red;">and</span> <span style="color: black;">free themselves from the</span><span style="color: red;"> cycle of birth and death by renouncing the fruits of action in the material world.</span> In this way they <span style="color: red;">can</span> attain th<span style="color: red;">at</span> state beyond all miseries.</p></blockquote>
<h4><span style="color: blue;">Bg 2.51 T REVISED &amp; ENLARGED:</span></h4>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: green;">By thus</span> engag<span style="color: green;">ing</span> in devotional service <span style="color: green;">to </span>the Lord<span style="color: green;">, great sages or devotees</span> free themselves from the <span style="color: green;">results of work in the material world.</span> In this way they <span style="color: green;">become free from the cycle of birth and death and</span> attain th<span style="color: green;">e</span> state beyond all miseries <span style="color: green;">[by going back to Godhead]</span>. <img src="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2.51.jpg" alt="" width="620" /> Here I guess you could say JAS is making it closer to the manuscript,  however Prabhuapda has clearly aproved of the original translation below  so JAS’s jumbling of words is <span style="text-decoration: underline;">completely unnecessary</span>.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Tamala Krsna: </strong>“The wise, engaged in  devotional service, take refuge in the Lord and free themselves from the  cycle of birth and death by renouncing the fruits of action in the  material world.”</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Prabhupada:</strong> Yes. There is purport?</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Tamala Krsna:</strong> No. There’s a little more to that <em>sloka.</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Prabhupada:</strong> All right. Finish.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Tamala Krsna:</strong> “In this way they can attain that state beyond all miseries.”</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Prabhupada:</strong> Read it again.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Tamala Krsna:</strong> “The wise, engaged in  devotional service, take refuge in the Lord and free themselves from the  cycle of birth and death by renouncing the fruits of action in the  material world. In this way they can attain that state beyond all  miseries.”</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p><strong>Prabhupada:</strong> How easy it is. You take to  Krsna consciousness, you act in Krsna consciousness, you overcome the  cycle of birth and death. And as soon as you overcome the cycle of birth  and death, you overcome all miseries. Because birth and death means  this material body. The living entity, spirit soul, has no birth and  death. And anyone who possesses this material body has to undergo the  threefold miseries of the material world. A similar passage is there in  the <em>Srimad-Bhagavatam.</em> The other day, as I was speaking to you, <em>nunam pramattah kurute vikarma.</em> All these people, they are acting in a way which they ought not to have done. <em>Nunam pramattah.</em> But they are acting as madmen. Why? <em>Yad indriya-pritaya,</em> for satisfaction of the senses. <em>Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti na sadhu manye.</em> This is not good. Because he does not know that he has achieved this  material body by working in that way in his previous life. Again he is  working in that way. So he’ll have to accept again this material body,  therefore he’s miser. He’s not properly utilizing. Go on.</p></blockquote>
<p>So it’s obvious Srila Prabhupada approved of, accepted and fully  authorized the original translation! He had Tamala Krsna read it and  agreed, “Yes, there is purport?” Then he had Tamala read it again, “How  easy it is…” There is <strong>absolutely no hint</strong> Srila Prabhupada even considered anyone would dare to <strong>change</strong> the translation he personally heard twice here and completely agreed with and approved of…</p>
<p align="left"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Bg 2.57 T ORIGINAL:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p align="left"><span style="color: #ff0000;">He who is without attachment, who does not rejoice when he obtains good, nor lament when he obtains evil</span>, is firmly fixed in perfect knowledge.</p>
</blockquote>
<p align="left"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Bg 2.57 T REVISED &amp; ENLARGED:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p align="left"><span style="color: #008000;">In the material world, one who is unaffected by whatever good or evil he may obtain, neither praising it nor despising it</span>, is firmly fixed in perfect knowledge.</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img src="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2.57.jpg" alt="" width="620" /></p>
<p>This is very interesting. Here JAS has made it closer to the  manuscript, apparently. But in reality he has completely removed the  principle of being without attachment is completely removed from  Jayadvaita’s translation.</p>
<p>The manuscript’s “without affection for the good or the evil,” was  rendered by the original editor as without attachment for good or evil,  which correctly prevents the idea in the manuscript.</p>
<p>However Jayadvaita Swami has changed it to “unaffected by whatever  good or evil he may obtain.” This is very different from Prabhuapda’s  idea in the manuscript. Being unattached to good or evil or having no  affection for good or evil is very different from not being affected by  good or evil.</p>
<p>So here we have the strange situation where JAS has made it closer to  the original manuscript, apparently, but by word juggelry he has  screwed a completely different meaning out of the verse…</p>
<p align="left"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Bg 2.61 P ORIGINAL:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p align="left">The <em>Yoga-sutra</em> also prescribes meditation on Visnu, and not meditation on the void. The so-called <em>yogis </em>who  meditate on something which is not the Visnu form simply waste their  time in a vain search after some phantasmagoria. We have to be Krsna  conscious–devoted to the Personality of Godhead. This is the aim of the  real yoga.</p>
</blockquote>
<p align="left"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Bg 2.61 P REVISED &amp; ENLARGED:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p align="left">The Yoga-sutra also prescribes meditation on Visnu, and not meditation on the void. The so-called <em>yogis </em>who meditate on something which is not <span style="color: #008000;">on </span>the Visnu <span style="color: #008000;">plat</span>form  simply waste their time in a vain search after some phantasmagoria. We  have to be Krsna conscious–devoted to the Personality of Godhead. This  is the aim of the real yoga.</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img src="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2.61.jpg" alt="" width="620" /></p>
<p>This change is completely contrary to the original manuscript.  Prabhuapda very clearly twice states one has to meditate on the Visnu  FORM in the manuscript and Jayadvaita changes it to the impersonal Visnu  PLATFORM.</p>
<p>Just see how he works! He has not even deleted any words at all here!  He has just added in “on” and “plat” and see the effect it has! The  original says anyone who meditates on something other than the Visnu  form is wasting his time, but Jayadvaita has to adjust this as what  about the impersonalists? They meditate on the impersonal form, etc…  Surely they’re not wasting their time?? So has to change Srila  Prabhupada’s purport…</p>
<p align="left"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Bg 2.66 T ORIGINAL:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p align="left">One who is not <span style="color: #ff0000;">in transcendental consciousness</span> can have neither <span style="color: #ff0000;">a controlled mind nor a steady intelligence</span>, without which there is no possibility of peace. And how can there be any happiness without peace?</p>
</blockquote>
<p align="left"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Bg 2.66 T REVISED &amp; ENLARGED:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p align="left">One who is not <span style="color: #008000;">connected with the Supreme [in Krsna consciousness]</span> can have neither <span style="color: #008000;">transcendental intelligence nor a steady mind</span>, without which there is no possibility of peace. And how can there be any happiness without peace?</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img src="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2.66.jpg" alt="" width="620" /></p>
<p align="left">Here the original translation is clear and does not need  to be “corrected.” And the “corrections” JAS has done do not come from  the manuscript at all.</p>
<ul>
<li>He has added “connected with the Supreme” [not in manuscript].</li>
<li>He has replaced “controlled mind” with “transcendental intelligence”  which is in the manuscript but it has nothing to do with the  “controlled mind” he replaces it for. He has removed the “controlled  mind” altogether and we find “controlled mind” in the manuscript as  “fixed mind” .</li>
<li>Instead of the “controlled mind” or the “fixed mind” he has invented  “steady mind” and put that into his new transaction. There is no  “steady mind” in the manuscript…</li>
</ul>
<p align="left">So what is the result of all of Jayadavita’s word  juggling here?  “A controlled mind…” In the original we can clearly see  there’s no possibility of peace and happiness without a controlled mind,  but in Jayadvaita’s translation the mind control has become a “steady  mind?” He has also made it very confusing. The meaning is no where near  as clear as the original. <strong>Who said Jayadvaita was making “better English?” He’s making bewildering English!</strong></p>
<blockquote>
<p align="left"><strong>Tamala Krsna:</strong> 66: “One who is not in  transcendental consciousness can have neither a controlled mind nor  steady intelligence, without which there is no possibility of peace, and  how can there be any happiness without peace?”</p>
<p align="left"><strong>Prabhupada:</strong> Everyone in this material  world, they are after peace, but they don’t want to control the senses.  It is not possible. Just like you are diseased, and doctor says that  “You take this medicine, you take this diet,” but you cannot control.  You are taking anything you like, against the instruction of the  physician. Then how you can be cured? Similarly, we want cure of the  chaotic condition of this material world, we want peace and prosperity,  but we are not ready to control the senses. We do not know how to  control the senses. We do not know the real yogic principle of  controlling the senses. So there is no possibility of peace. <em>Kutah santir ayuktasya.</em> The exact word is there in the <em>Bhagavad-gita.</em> If you are not engaged in Krsna consciousness, there is no possibility  of peace. Artificially, you may try for it. It is not possible. Go on.  (681219BG.LA)</p>
</blockquote>
<p align="left">Just see! Srila Prabhupada heard this verse personally  and immediately he is preaching on the point of sense control! Where  does he say “Get Jayadvaita Swami to delete mind control from the  translation?” No. He does not say that. He preaches on sense control!</p>
<p align="left"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Bg 3.8 T ORIGINAL:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p align="left">Perform your prescribed duty, for <span style="color: #ff0000;">action </span>is better than <span style="color: #ff0000;">inaction</span>. One cannot even maintain <span style="color: #ff0000;">his</span> physical body without work.</p>
</blockquote>
<p align="left"><span style="color: #0000ff;">Bg 3.8 T REVISED &amp; ENLARGED:</span></p>
<blockquote>
<p align="left">Perform your prescribed duty, for <span style="color: #008000;">doing so</span> is better than <span style="color: #008000;">not working</span>. One cannot even maintain <span style="color: #008000;">one’s</span> physical body without work.</p>
</blockquote>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img src="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/3.8.jpg" alt="" width="620" /></p>
<p>Here is a case where the original edited translation is perfectly  good and true to the manuscript and approved by Srila Prabhuapda himself  [see below] and Jayadvaita has changed it to something else that some  may say is “closer to the manuscript.” But this is completely  unnecessary. The original translation is perfectly good.</p>
<p>This is interesting. Another little “correction.” But Srila  Prabhupada heard the original verse many times and never requested that  it be “corrected…”</p>
<blockquote>
<p align="left">“Perform your prescribed duty, for action is better than inaction. A man cannot even maintain his physical body without work.”</p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p align="left"><strong>Prabhupada:</strong> Krsna never said that “You  sit down, lazy.” You must work. And that is intelligence, how to engage a  person in some work. That requires governing body. That is  intelligence. They should be ready to work, and your intelligence will  engage them. And there is sufficient. Why you are constructing so many  centers? There is enough work to do. Just like here. All people are  coming, and each one can be preached, each one can be convinced of the  philosophy. (770121r2.bhu)</p>
</blockquote>
<p align="left">There is no indication anywhere that Srila Prabhupada was not satisfied with the original translation AS IT IS…</p>
<p>There are so many more examples. But any thoughtful person can see that:</p>
<ul>
<li>The source of many of the changes is not the original manuscript at all.</li>
<li>Even if there is some difference from the original manuscript that  does not mean the book should be changed back to the original  manuscript. Prabhupada appointed the original editors and personally  supervised and approved of their work.</li>
<li>The real authorized version of Srila Prabhupada’s Bhagavad-gita As  It Is is the published 1972 Macmillan “Complete Edition” NOT the  so-called “original manuscript.</li>
</ul>
<p>All glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada  who’se original books will illuminate this dark age of Kali for at least  the next 10,000 years.</p>
<p>Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!</p>
<p>Your servant</p>
<p>Madhudvisa dasa</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span><span><span>The editors of  the 1983 revised <em>Gita </em>did not believe that they actually interpolated philosophy  or style.*<span> </span>Their  idea was to  improve both translations and purports by transposing and  clarifying portions of  old manuscripts, etc. existing prior to the one  finally submitted to Macmillan  in 1972.<span> </span>Truly, many of the   grammatical, spelling, format and historical inaccuracies corrected in  the  revision would have been approved by Srila Prabhupada himself had  he been  consulted.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>Be that  as it may,  Srila Prabhupada never instructed anyone to use a procedure  of re-visiting and  researching old manuscripts or dictations to revise  future printings of his  first editions.<span> </span>On the other hand,   recordings made from 1972 until 1977, six years, demonstrate how Srila   Prabhupada often personally read excerpts from the <em>Gita </em>in classes, room  conversations, engagements, etc.<span> </span>Many times he also instructed devotees present to read aloud as he  listened.<span> </span>There is no evidence  indicating that he ordered extensive revisions for the next printing.<span> </span>As the current chief editor wrote; “To  my knowledge, Srila Prabhupada never asked us to re-edit the book.”<span> </span>( letter to Amogha Lila, July, 1986 )  .</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>Interestingly enough,  none of the scholars, educators, professors and other reviewers of the <em>Gita </em>called for it either.<span> </span>From 1972  until 1983 we don’t find requests from professionals for a revision to a higher  standard.<span> </span>Nor do we hear any demand  from devotees in general for such a thorough revision.<span> </span>In  fact, the editors state in “A Note  About the Second Edition” found in  the BBT revised editions: “Yet their effort  to publish Srila  Prabhupada’s work was a success, and the <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is </em>has become the standard edition for scholars and devotees around the  world.”<span> </span>Still, after eleven years  of documented success, the <em>Gita </em>was extensively re-worked.<span> </span>Why?<span> </span>What is the reason?</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>The  editors continue  their explanation: “For this second edition, however,  Srila Prabhupada’s  disciples had the benefit of having worked with his  books for the last fifteen  years.<span> </span>The English editors were   familiar with his philosophy and language, and the Sanskrit editors  were by now  accomplished scholars.<span> </span>And now they  were able  to see their way through perplexities in the manuscript by consulting   the same Sanskrit commentaries Srila Prabhupada consulted when writing  <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>.<span> </span>The  result  is a work of even greater richness and authenticity… In places  the translations,  though already correct, have been revised to come  closer to the original  Sanskrit and Srila Prabhupada’s original   dictations…”</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>The editors are claiming the  benefit of 15 years work, which would mean 1968 until 1983, the year of the  revision.<span> </span>However,  the value of  those benefits is uncertain, because in June, 1977 Srila  Prabhupada severely  chastised the editors for changes to his <em>Isopanisad </em>and <em>Bhagavatam</em>.<span> </span>He  described the editors as rascals (a  term he usually reserved for  atheists, material scientists and politicians), and  called them  “dangerous”<span> </span>at  least six times in ten minutes of discussion.<span> </span>Just five months before his  disappearance, Srila Prabhupada made this a major issue for the  Society.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>The same basic issue came up  in 1983 and has continued more or less for the last 25 years.<span> </span>But for us, now, who will decide who is  right and who is wrong?<span> </span>One side  says “responsible editing,” the other says “irresponsible, unauthorized,  etc.”<span> </span>But who is right and who is  wrong?<span> </span>Who will  decide?</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>So now we must come to the  point of reason.<span> </span>Is  it reasonable  to conclude that just five or six years after deserving  that 1977 chastisement,  editors could have emerged as “accomplished  scholars” –by 1983?<span> </span>One editor escaped chastisement.<span> </span>Still, isn’t six years a short time for  everyone to turn up as “accomplished scholars?”<span> </span>But  even if all the editors had been  studying Sanskrit for 30 years by  1983, is it plausible that such editors could  be able to dive into the  superexcellent depths of Sanskrit revelation, and come  up with an  understanding of it’s complexities—the same complexities—understood  by  previous acaryas?<span> </span>Was this the  prerogative of such  disciples, that they could be “able to see their way through   perplexities in the manuscript by consulting the same Sanskrit  commentaries  Srila Prabhupada consulted when writing the <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>?<span> </span>Is it  possible?</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>And further, “In  places the translations, though already correct, have been revised to come  closer to the original Sanskrit…”<span> </span>Here  the implication is that the editors in 1983, whoever they were,   thought they could interpret the original Sanskrit texts comparatively  as well  as Srila Prabhupada himself, or at least well enough to put  their new  realizations in his book under his name.<span> </span>And,  that they could understand the same complexities understood by  previous  acaryas (presumably Sridhar Swami et. al.) simply by using the same   Sanskrit commentaries Srila Prabhupada used.<span> </span>Is this credible?<span> </span>Is it reasonable to conclude that  such editors were capable of producing “a work of even greater richness and  authenticity?”<span> </span>Or that translations  “already correct” could have been revised to even more correctness by them?<span> </span>Was all this perfection really possible  by 1983?</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>May be,  if they had received  authorizations and blessings from Srila Prabhupada  in 1977 before he  disappeared, but that didn’t happen.<span> </span>It  is known from that recorded conversation of June, 1977, that when   Tamal Krsna suggested to Srila Prabhupada Jayadwaita check any changes  before  reprinting, Srila Prabhupada countered: “But they are doing  without any  authority!”<span> </span>In other words, no need  for  Jayadwaita to become an inspector of changes because nobody was  authorized  to make such changes in the first place!<span> </span>Tamal had already said to Srila Prabhupada: “Your original work that  you’re doing now, that is edited by Jayadwaita.<span> </span>That’s the first editing.”<span> </span>Srila Prabhupada had answered, “He is  good.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>So Srila Prabhupada, in the  midst of all the turmoil, made it clear that he was satisfied with Jayadwaita’s  work.<span> </span>Yet  a “first editing” is  entirely different from re-editing an already  finished or printed work, which is  what the others were doing.<span> </span>Srila   Prabhupada never authorized anyone, including Jayawaita or Pradyumna  to do that  with the Bhagavad-gita then or in the  future.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>The extent of Srila  Prabhupada’s disappointment in this matter can not be underestimated.<span> </span>He said, after being informed of the  changes in the <em>Isopanisad</em>, “I know what these rascals are doing.<span> </span>What can be done?<span> </span>How they can be relied on?”<span> </span>And later, “It is starting.<span> </span>What can I do?<span> </span>These cannot…These rascals cannot be  educated.<span> </span>Dangerous.<span> </span>Little learning, dangerous…What can I  do?<span> </span>Ultimate it goes for  editorial…”</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>In the 3<sup>rd</sup> Canto  (3.4.26), Srila Prabhupada writes, “Although one may be well  versed in  transcendental science, one should be careful about the  offense of <em> maryada-vyatikrama</em>, or impertinently surpassing a greater personality.<span> </span>According to scriptural injunction one  should be very careful of transgressing the law of <em>maryada-vyatikrama </em>because by  so doing one loses his duration of life, his opulence, fame and piety and the  blessings of all the world.<span> </span>To be  well versed in the transcendental science necessitates awareness of the  techniques of spiritual science.”</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>At this point the  significant question emerges: Has <em>maryada-vyatikrama</em>, impertinently surpassing a  greater personality, occurred in the process of editing and reprinting Srila  Prabhupada’s books?<span> </span>It certainly  had by 1977, according to the momentous June 22<sup>nd</sup>, 1977 room conversation  about changes to the <em>Isopanisad </em>and <em>Srimad Bhadavatam</em>.<span> </span>Six  years later, considering the  exaggerated claims in the “Note About the  Second Edition” and the extreme  content-editing of the text, it  appears to have occurred again in the 1983  “Revised and Enlarged”  version of the <em>Bhagavad-gita As It Is</em>.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>Vaisnava etiquette   demands that Srila Prabhupad’s disciples, grand-disciples, et. al.  always think  themselves fools in front of Srila Prabhupada.<span> </span>But, unfortunately, sometimes some of  them forget that, and dare to rush in where angels fear to tread.</span></span></span></p>
<p><span><span><span>* “Our editing is to correct  grammar and spelling errors only, without interpolation of style or  philosophy.”<span> </span>( Srila Prabhupada, </span><span>02/17/70</span><span> ) </span></span></span></p>
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		<title>Restoring Confidence in the BBT</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 03:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The attached .pdf file contains [Restoring Confidence in the BBT.pdf]  a PowerPoint presentation which Madhudvisa dasa presented to the BBT  trustees at their Vrindavan meeting during Kartik in 2007.
The meeting was chared by Brahma Muhurta Prabhu and Jayadvaita Swami  and all other important BBT trustees and members were present.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The attached .pdf file contains [<strong><a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Restoring-Confidence-in-the-BBT.pdf">Restoring Confidence in the BBT.pdf</a></strong>]  a PowerPoint presentation which Madhudvisa dasa presented to the BBT  trustees at their Vrindavan meeting during Kartik in 2007.</p>
<p>The meeting was chared by Brahma Muhurta Prabhu and Jayadvaita Swami  and all other important BBT trustees and members were present.</p>
<p>The presentation was well received and the only point that Jayadvaita Swami contested was:</p>
<p><strong>Nobody, except the editor, [Jayadvaita Swami] was aware of the magnitude of the changes.</strong></p>
<p>After a long discussion Jayadvaita Swami admitted that apart from  himself there were only two other people in the world who were aware of  extent of the changes to Bhagagavad Gita that he had made. Those other  two people were Dravida who he showed the manuscript to and the typist  who typed the final manuscript to be sent to the printers.</p>
<p>Please study the attached .pdf file.  <strong> <a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Restoring-Confidence-in-the-BBT.pdf">Restoring Confidence in the BBT.pdf</a></strong></p>
<p>Topics Covered in Presentation:</p>
<ul>
<li>BBT’s Responsibilities</li>
<li>Current Problems BBT is Facing</li>
<li>BBT Have No Authority to Make these Changes to Prabhuapda’s Books</li>
<li>Srila Prabhupada Does Not Want His Books Changed</li>
<li>Prabhupada Refereed to the Editors as “Rascals” in 1977</li>
<li>In 1977 Prabhupada Ordered the “Next Printing Should Be The Original Way.”</li>
<li>BBT Disobeyed This Order. Instead of Printing the Original Way, BBT Started Making Huge Changes to Prabhuapda’s Bhagavad Gita.</li>
<li>BBT Released the “Revised and Enlarged Edition” of Bhagavad Gita in 1983.</li>
<li>The Extent of Changes Were Not Revealed to Anyone, Not Even the BBT.</li>
<li>Types of Changes Made to Bhagavad Gita</li>
<li>Editor’s Justification of the Changes</li>
<li>Changes Were Based on the False Premise that the Editor Can Change Anything He Feels Like Changing.</li>
<li>The Most Famous Change [Bhagavad Gita 4.34]</li>
<li>Prabhupada’s 1936 Translation of 4.34 Same As Macmillan Gita</li>
<li>A Small Collection of Changes Clearly Not Approved by Srila Prabhupada</li>
<li>The Way Forward for the BBT and Increasing Book Distribution</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Conclusion:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>These unauthorized, undocumented and unnecessary changes destroy the authority of BBT books</li>
<li>Such changed books will never be accepted by any thoughtful person as authorative.</li>
<li>“The next printing should be the original way.”</li>
<li>The Principle is nothing can be changed. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">If there is no error in the printed book it should not be changed</span></li>
<li>Real typographical errors in the original books can be corrected.  But only if there are footnotes notifying the readers of the correction.</li>
</ul>
<p>Please study the attached .pdf file.  <strong> <a href="../wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Restoring-Confidence-in-the-BBT.pdf">Restoring Confidence in the BBT.pdf</a></strong></p>
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		<title>Caitanya-caritamrta Changes — Full List</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A complete comparison of the 1975 original edition of Srila  Prabhupada’s Sri Caitanya-caritamrta with the new ISKCON/BBT revised  edition highlighting all the changes.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>A complete comparison of the 1975 original edition of Srila  Prabhupada’s Sri Caitanya-caritamrta with the new ISKCON/BBT revised  edition highlighting all the changes.</h3>
<p>All changes are highlighted in the following pages. This comparison  is based on the original &amp; revised versions as they are presented in  the Bhaktivedanta Archives Folio. We have not yet verified if the  original and revised Cc’s in the folio are exactily the same as the  printed books or not.</p>
<h3>Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Adi-lila</h3>
<p><a href="../cc/CC_ADI_001.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 1:</strong></a> The Spiritual Masters<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_002.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 2:</strong></a> Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Is the Supreme Personality of Godhead<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_003.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 3:</strong></a> The External Reasons for Lord Caitanya’s Appearance<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_004.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 4:</strong></a> The Confidential Reasons for Lord Caitanya’s Appearance<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_005.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 5:</strong></a> The Glories of Lord Nityananda Balarama<br />
<strong><a href="../cc/CC_ADI_006.htm" target="_blank">Adi 6:</a> </strong>The Glories of Sri Advaita Acarya<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_007.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 7:</strong></a> Lord Caitanya in Five Features<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_008.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 8:</strong></a> The Author Receives the Orders of Krsna and Guru<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_009.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 9:</strong></a> The Tree of Devotional Service<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_010.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 10:</strong></a> The Trunk, Branches and Subbranches of the Caitanya Tree<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_011.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 11:</strong></a> The Expansions of Lord Nityananda<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_012.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 12:</strong></a> The Expansions of Advaita Acarya and Gadadhara Pandita<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_013.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 13:</strong></a> The Advent of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_014.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 14:</strong></a> Lord Caitanya’s Childhood Pastimes<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_015.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 15:</strong></a> The Lord’s Pauganda-lila<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_016.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 16:</strong></a> The Pastimes of the Lord in His Childhood and Youth<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_017.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Adi 17:</strong></a> The Pastimes of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu in His Youth</p>
<h3>Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya-lila</h3>
<p><strong><a href="../cc/CC_MAD_001.htm" target="_blank">Madhya 1:</a></strong> The Later Pastimes of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_002.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 2:</strong></a> The Ecstatic Manifestations of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_003.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 3:</strong></a> Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s Stay at the House of Advaita Acarya<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_004.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 4:</strong></a> Sri Madhavendra Puri’s Devotional Service<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_005.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 5:</strong></a> The Activities of Saksi-gopala<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_006.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 6:</strong></a> The Liberation of Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_007.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 7:</strong></a> The Lord’s Tour of South India<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_008.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 8:</strong></a> Talks Between Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Ramananda Raya<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_009.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 9:</strong></a> Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s Travels to the Holy Places<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_010.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 10:</strong></a> The Lord’s Return to Jagannatha Puri<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_011.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 11:</strong></a> The Beda-kirtana Pastimes of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_012.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 12:</strong></a> The Cleansing of the Gundica Temple<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_013.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 13:</strong></a> The Ecstatic Dancing of the Lord at Ratha-yatra<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_014.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 14:</strong></a> Performance of the Vrndavana Pastimes<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_015.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 15:</strong></a> The Lord Accepts Prasada at the House of Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_016.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 16:</strong></a> The Lord’s Attempt to Go to Vrndavana<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_017.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 17:</strong></a> The Lord Travels to Vrndavana<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_018.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 18:</strong></a> Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s Visit to Sri Vrndavana<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_019.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 19:</strong></a> Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Instructs Srila Rupa Gosvami<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_020.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 20:</strong></a> Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Instructs Sanatana Gosvami in the Science<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_021.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 21:</strong></a> The Opulence and Sweetness of Lord Sri Krsna<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_022.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 22:</strong></a> The Process of Devotional Service<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_023.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 23:</strong></a> Life’s Ultimate Goal–Love of Godhead<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_024.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 24:</strong></a> The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_MAD_025.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Madhya 25:</strong></a> How All the Residents of Varanasi Became Vaisnavas</p>
<h3>Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Antya-lila</h3>
<p><strong><a href="../cc/CC_ANT_001.htm" target="_blank">Antya 1:</a></strong> Srila Rupa Gosvami’s Second Meeting With the Lord<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_002.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 2:</strong></a> The Chastisement of Junior Haridasa<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_003.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 3:</strong></a> The Glories of Srila Haridasa Thakura<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_004.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 4:</strong></a> Sanatana Gosvami Visits the Lord at Jagannatha Puri<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ADI_005.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 5:</strong></a> How Pradyumna Misra Received Instructions from Ramananda Raya<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_006.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 6:</strong></a> The Meeting of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Raghunatha dasa Gosvami<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_007.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 7:</strong></a> The Meeting of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Vallabha Bhatta<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_008.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 8:</strong></a> Ramacandra Puri Criticizes the Lord<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_009.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 9:</strong></a> The Deliverance of Gopinatha Pattanayaka<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_010.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 10:</strong></a> Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Accepts Prasada from the Devotees<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_011.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 11:</strong></a> The Passing of Haridasa Thakura<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_012.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 12:</strong></a> The Loving Dealings Between Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu and Jagadananda<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_013.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 13:</strong></a> Pastimes with Jagadananda Pandita and Raghunatha Bhatta Gosvami<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_014.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 14:</strong></a> Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s Feelings of Separation from Krsna<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_015.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 15:</strong></a> The Transcendental Madness of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_016.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 16:</strong></a> Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Tastes Nectar from the Lips of Lord Sri Krsna<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_017.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 17:</strong></a> The Bodily Transformations of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_018.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 18:</strong></a> Rescuing the Lord from the Sea<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_019.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 19:</strong></a> The Inconceivable Behavior of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu<br />
<a href="../cc/CC_ANT_020.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Antya 20:</strong></a> The Siksastaka Prayers</p>
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		<title>Jayadvaita Swami attacks Madhudvisa dasa</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Madhudvisa dasa</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The following is a description of Jayadvaita Swami demanding a  private meeting with me at the in March of 2004 at the  annual  ISKCON Mayapur Festival at Sridharma Mayapur, West Bengal, India, and  what happened, “behind closed doors…”
In 2004 I attended the Mayapur Festival for the first time in many  years [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following is a description of Jayadvaita Swami demanding a  private meeting with me at the in March of 2004 at the  annual  ISKCON Mayapur Festival at Sridharma Mayapur, West Bengal, India, and  what happened, “behind closed doors…”</p>
<p>In 2004 I attended the Mayapur Festival for the first time in many  years in 2004 as I had some service to do there for ITV [ISKCON  television].</p>
<p><span style=" "><strong>Jayadvaita Swami</strong> <strong>was chasing me at mangal aroti</strong> and whenever he saw me walking around the temple grounds. I was  avoiding him, but finally he aproached me and said rather roughly “I  want to talk to you!” </span></p>
<p><span style=" ">He wanted me to go to his room but I said it is nice  here, why not talk here in the park? He didn’t like that idea but we  talked for a while there. He was very rough, demanding that he is a  senior devotee. He told me that I should surrender to him and accept  whatever he has done to Srila Prabhuapda’s books, he demanding that I  take down all my websites and publish widely letters apologizing to him  and endorsing his “Revised and Enlarged” versions of Srila Prabhupada’s  books. </span></p>
<p><span style=" ">All the time he was saying “come to my room…” So  finally, out of curiosity as to what he had in store for me in his room,  I did. </span></p>
<p><span style=" ">When we got to his room all hell broke loose. He was  screaming and shouting “shithead, shithead, shithead… why don’t you  accept me as your authority… Take down all your websites.” <strong>He was so crazy I really was very shocked</strong>. <strong>He was pounding me with his fists and kicking me</strong> and hitting the walls and kicking the furniture around all the time to  the “shithead, shithead, shithead” mantra. And sometimes he would become  tired and lie down on his bed to re-gather his energy. </span></p>
<p><span style=" ">It is not that he physically hurt me. His punches  were very light and I could hardly feel his kicks. I did not end up with  any bruises or anything. But it was really an amazing sight to see…<br />
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<p><span style=" ">I was just sitting there chanting Hare Krishna completely stunned. <strong>I had no idea at all that JAS was so crazy</strong>.  There is no question in my mind now, he is completely insane. He is  supposed to be a swami, one who is the master of his senses but his is  completely out of control. He let me know in no uncertain terms that it  was only because of three crazy devotees that his book editing was ever  challenged. He named them: Kirtanananda, Hansadutta and me. He told me  for years he has been trying to destroy my preaching. We saw that  recently in LA. He tried to poison so many devotees against me. Yadubara  and many others. But somehow his actions have not had much effect. </span></p>
<p><span style=" ">Ultimately I left his room, completely shocked. I  could never believe he would act like this. He was still waving his arms  around “shithead, shithead, shithead.” Anyhow he is very afraid of  Hansadutta Prabhu and by Krishna’s arrangement Bhakti Charu Swami paid  Hansadutta’s airfare to Mayapur to give him some inspiration for the  animation project he plans to start in Mayapur. He arrived here the  morning after JAS’s “shithead, shithead, shithead” explosion. </span></p>
<p><span style=" "><strong>Hansadutta said the first person he saw here was JAS when he saw him he looked like he had seen a ghost</strong>.  JAS tried to attack Hansadutta, that he [JAS] was a BBT trustee. That  is as far as he got and Hansadutta completely demolished him. So we have  not seen JAS since them. <strong>How on earth can ISKCON have such crazy people in such high positions</strong>.  It is insane. Hansadutta says I should have recorded it and posted it  on the internet then everyone could see what sort of “swami” he is. </span></p>
<p><span style=" ">JAS admitted finally during the “<strong>shithead, shithead</strong>”  conversation that there was never a complete list of the changes to the  Gita circulated to the devotees. Only a list of changes to the  translations. He also admitted and we know it that the changes to the  purports are “very extensive.” And to this day the only person who is  aware of these extensive changes to Prabhupada’s purports is JAS. No one  else has ever seen them or knows what they are or review them. He also  expressed his disgust that Prabhupada’s original books are being printed  and distributed and said, “It’s only the ritviks who are buying them.”  [which is of course competely untrue. There is nothing that unites the  devotees of all camps more than everyone's desire to read Srila  Prabhupada's original books...]<br />
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<p><span style=" "> Please see the following email exchange with Jayadvaita Swami where he admits that all I have said above is true.</span></p>
<p><span style=" ">For the record, since this meeting, Jayadvaita has  been a perfect gentleman and “very sweet” to me. Always praising my  determination and dedication to Srila Prabhupada… But I think this is  only a show… Deep down in his heart he still does not like me very much…<br />
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<hr size="1" />In the email discussion below <span style="color: #0000cc;">my [Madhudvisa's] comments are in blue</span> and Jayadvaita’s comments are in black.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">From Madhuvisa: </span></p>
<p>Dear Sir, <span style="color: #0000cc;">(Jayadvaita is addressing me as “Sir”?)</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">&gt; I humbly admit I found it  uncomfortable that you yelled at me so much tonight, calling me so many  bad names and overall was very rough with me.</span></p>
<p>You deserved it. And more…</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">&gt; We are both followers of Srila  Prabhupada and we may have different opinions on some points but we  should be able to meet in a gentlemanly manner.</span></p>
<p>You’re twenty years my junior. You claim to be a brahmacari, and I am  a sannyasi. You were initiated (if at all) ten years later than me.</p>
<p>And yet you think you’re perfectly within your rights to broadcast to  the whole world, “Jayadvaita Swami [is] disobeying Srila Prabhupada’s  direct order that he should not change a word in his books” (an order,  of course, that Srila Prabhupada never gave me). And still, after  publishing this and other such thoroughly rude insults, you somehow  believe you’re entitled to be treated “in a gentlemanly manner.” Hmmm. .  .</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">&gt; You are asking me to apologize but  I would humbly request some sort of apology from you also. You called  me “shit head” so many times, I really do not think that is appropriate.</span></p>
<p>You’re right. I apologize [for calling you "s...head"]. If I’d used  Srila Prabhupada’s language, I would have said you have cow dung for  brains.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">&gt; I understand you are upset about  some of the things I have posted on the net, but on close examination  you will find that every posting contains a significant point which we  need to consider.</span></p>
<p>And lots of garbage we don’t. And, by the way, you don’t raise any  points that BBT editors and consultants with much finer discretion than  you haven’t considered already….</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">&gt; Just on the few changes we looked  at tonight you admitted to three errors you have introduced into the new  version and surely if one did a through study there would be many  hundreds of new errors.</span></p>
<p>Two, if I recall. Both of them petty. And I didn’t admit that I  introduced them. If you’d been listening, you might have heard that I  didn’t know whether the errors were mine or those of a typist.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">&gt; The point of my website is to show  that in so many ways the philosophy presented in your “Revised and  Enlarged” Gita differs substantially from Prabhupada’s original  Bhagavad-gita As It Is. And you accept that. I accept that in some cases  you have recovered missing things, etc. But overall I can not  personally put my faith in your “Revised and Enlarged” Gita and so many  devotees feel like this.</span></p>
<p>I am not in need of your faith, sir. Put it wherever you’d like.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">&gt; Your “Revised and Enlarged” Gita  rests on your authority. You have decided what to change and what not to  change and as we saw there are so many things you could have changed,  but have chosen not to, therefore it is all according to your opinion.  You have decided what to change and what not to change.</span></p>
<p>Son, *every* editor decides what to change and what not to change.  And your complaint seems to be that my opinions differ from yours. Your  opinion is that perhaps fifty of the revisions are justified, the rest  not…. Should I feel crushed? Yes, after due deliberation and  consultation, I decided what to change and what not to change….</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">&gt; The point I have made is this is a  very dangerous precedent for the future. We have to preserve the  original teachings of Srila Prabhupada. And the original Macmillan Gita  was accepted by Prabhupada, he did not request anyone to reedit it. That  is the main point. If Prabhupada wanted his books reedited that would  be a different matter.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">&gt; TKG put this question to Srila  Prabhupada in the rascal editors conversation, “Can JAS go through and  reedit the books?” and Prabhupada’s conclusion was, “No, the next  printing should be the original way.” So that is a clear order from  Srila Prabhupada NOT to reedit the books. Your interpretation of this is  not honest. The original way clearly means the original way the books  were printed.</span></p>
<p>Not honest? Dear Mr. Honesty: I’m sitting here in front of my  VedaBase, and I’ll be hog-tied if I see anywhere in that conversation,  “Can JAS go through and reedit the books?” You can take your brand of  honesty and shove it.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">&gt; I think you are a little unfair in so heavily criticizing the articles I have written,</span></p>
<p>I haven’t criticized them heavily enough.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">&gt; Hopefully when we meet again it can be on more gentlemanly terms.</span></p>
<p>Hopefully when we meet again you will deserve it.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">&gt; I am not anything special but I am  sincerely trying to serve Srila Prabhupada with all my energy and I do  not really find it very comfortable if you just want to yell at me and  call me names.</span></p>
<p>Oh, you’re uncomfortable, are you? Dear, dear! You can dish out  insults to your seniors in public, but when your seniors dish it out to  you in private, you can’t take it. Poor baby!</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">&gt; What is the point of this? My  points are valid, and you have agreed to that, you have agreed to three  errors in just the few verses we looked at tonight, so I humbly submit  that all the faults are not on my side. You have to admit that there are  some faults on your side also then we can make some progress.</span></p>
<p>Sir, I don’t have to negotiate with you. You can make progress on your own.</p>
<p>…</p>
<p>Hare Krsna. Yours in Srila Prabhupada’s service, Jayadvaita Swami</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000cc;">[I have deleted some text and the blue  is by me - Madhudvisa dasa]</span></p>
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		<title>Leave Srila Prabhuapda’s Books Alone!</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2003 03:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Madhudvisa dasa</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[My Dear Godbrothers and Godsisters:
Please accept my most humble obeisances! All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
I am very glad that we as disciples of Srila Prabhupada are finally  doing something about this great offense to our Spiritual Master. I  would like to tell three stories that are personal experiences of mine  with Srila [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Dear Godbrothers and Godsisters:</p>
<p>Please accept my most humble obeisances! All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!</p>
<p>I am very glad that we as disciples of Srila Prabhupada are finally  doing something about this great offense to our Spiritual Master. I  would like to tell three stories that are personal experiences of mine  with Srila Prabhupada and his books. It is my earnest hope that these  stories will once and for all lay to rest the controversy of anyone ever  editing Srila Prabhupadas books.</p>
<p>The first story takes place in Mayapur where Srila Prabhupada was talking about why he came to the material world.</p>
<p>Srila Prabhupada said: <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">He  (meaning Krishna) asked me to come here and I said that I did not want  to go because it was such a dirty place. He (meaning Krishna) told me if  you go I will arrange so many nice palaces for you to live in. I said  but I do not want to go. He (meaning Krishna) said you just go and write  these books and I will make it comfortable for you. So Srila Prabhupada  said because He asked me to write these books I came.</span></strong></p>
<p>So here it is quite clear that the main reason why Srila Prabhupada  came to this world was to write these books by the order of the Supreme  Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna. Is Jayadwaita a Nitya Siddha  eternal associate of the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Sri Krishna  who was ordered to come here to edit these books. If not then <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">he should leave the books alone!</span></strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>Once in Bombay Srila Prabhupada ordered me to come to his room and  listen to him preach to some life members.  I sat there and listened for  almost an hour. After they left he started to chastise me. <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Why  are you not coming here everyday to listen to me preach. You are one of  my leaders if you do not learn how to preach from me then what will  happen?</span></strong> Then he quoted a verse in Sanskrit from <em>Bhagavad Gita </em>and asked me if I knew this verse in English, where it was in the <em>Gita</em>, and what the meaning was. I unfortunately had no answers. <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Are you reading my books everyday?</span></strong> he asked. I admitted my neglect. <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">If  you do not read my books everyday then how will you learn? You are  going out to make life members and collect big donations but you are not  reading my books. You must read my books every day!</span></strong> Then he said <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Even I read my books everyday. Do you know why?</span></strong> I proffered no answer and waited for the revelation. <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Because every time I read these books even I learn something!</span></strong> I sat in stunned silence. Then he asked <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Do you know why I learn something every time I read these books?</span></strong> Now I was completely bewildered <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Because I have not written these books. </span></strong>What  transpired next was simply amazing. He looked me very intently making  strong direct eye contact. He spoke with great authority but with a  mystical mood bordering on the ecstatic as he began to describe how His  books are written. <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Everyday</span></strong> He said <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">When I sit down here to write these books</span></strong> He was now looking into space waving His hands in the air His voice filled with Transcendental emotion <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Krishna personally comes and dictates every word.</span></strong> I got the sense that Krishna was present in the room at that moment but  I was too blind to see Him. Now Srila Prabhupada returned His eyes to  mine <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> Therefore</span></strong> He said <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Whenever  I read these books even I learn something and if you read my books  everyday you will also learn something every time you read them.</span></strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>So here it is quite clear that just like Valldeva Vidya bhushana and  other great Acharyas in our line Srila Prabhupada received direct  dictation from Krishna when he was writing His books. Is Jayadwaita  receiving direct dictation from the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord  Sri Krishna when he edits the books? If not then <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">he should leave the books alone!</span></strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>Before we move on to the last story we should examine in more detail  some of the inner meanings of Srila Prabhupada’s descent into the  material world for the purpose of writing these books. Whenever the  Supreme Lord descends he always brings with him his entourage. Similarly  when a greatly advanced Nitya Siddha devotee appears in this world a  few associates from the spiritual world and many highly developed souls  with great amounts of <em>sukriti </em>from the material world come to  join him. In a lecture in Los Angeles on the appearance day of Srila  Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur, Srila Prabhupada wept openly as he  told the devotees that they had all been sent here to assist him by His  Guru Maharaj. It is not an accident that Srila Prabhupadas style of  writing from the early <em>Srimad Bhagavatams </em>was a flowery British  English which is derived from the poly-syllabic Mediterranean  languages. It is not an accident that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati  Thakur sent Srila Prabhupada Hyagriva who was a writer and ardent  admirer of the early American transcendentalists like Emerson and  Thoreau who wrote in a similar poetic style. It is not an accident that  Srila Prabhupada spent hours pouring over the manuscripts, the  paintings, etc editing and adjusting everything so it was just right.  None of these things are accidents, the pastimes of the pure devotee are  transcendental.</p>
<p>Unfortunately some people have a mundane view of the Spiritual  masters activities and think that they can improve on what is already  perfect even if there are some so called discrepancies.  Even if the  verses are imperfectly composed they are transcendentally potent none  the less.  Does Jayadwaita have any absolute evidence in writing from  Srila Prabhupada that approves every single change that he makes? Unless  Jayadwaita was sent here personally by Sri Krishna for this purpose or  is taking dictation from the Supreme Lord then his adjustments are  simply speculation or personal preference. Jayadwaita was not invited  into the editing process by Srila Prabhupada. One good reason could be  Jayadwaita’s writing style. Jayadwaita favors the short choppy English  form influenced by the Viking languages which is used more for business  and common literature like magazines and newspapers. This was his style  at BTG and that is not acceptable for poetic scripture. Jayadwaitas  problem is he just doesn’t get it. The Disciples of Srila Prabhupada  want that <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">he should leave the books alone!</span></strong></p>
<p>He has taken a very slim 1 vote margin of the GBC to fix some typos  to changing the entire meaning of the texts.  Without Srila Prabhupada’s  personal presence to confirm the changes he is making, from old tapes  and manuscripts which have not been accurately cataloged, he cannot be  sure that Srila Prabhupada did not already reject those versions in  favor of what is already in the book. What we are absolutely sure of is  that Srila Prabhupada approved of each book that was printed after  extensively reviewing it. Therefore whatever has been signed off on by  Srila Prabhupada while he was here on the planet cannot be changed  period. You may add an errata or addendum in the back of the book if you  have some serious concerns but the actual texts and purports themselves  must not be adjusted in any way. To do so is to insult Srila  Prabhupada, and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur by doubting their  transcendental plan. To do so is to insult Sri Krishna as the Supreme  arranger. To do so without a mandate from Sri Guru and Gouranga is to  place your own speculation above the Supreme Lord and His Divine  emmisaries. Without the Nitya Siddha Pure Devotee present to confirm the  changes we are allowing the mental speculation of one man to destroy  the absolute nature of the most important scriptures for the next 10,000  years. Jayadwaita <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">leave the books alone!</span></strong></p>
<p>Now to Let us see how a purely devoted disciple of His Divine Grace approached the translating and editing process.</p>
<p>After Srila Prabhupada’s departure there is a little known pastime,  that will not remain so after this letter goes on your website, where  Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj helped to reveal the unrivalled perfection of  Srila Prabhupada’s masterful translation of <em>Bhagavad Gita</em>.  Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj was given the service by Srila Prabhupada of  translating all of His books into the Orissan language. Srila Gour  Govinda Maharaj was a great scholar who could write and speak in five  languages, Orissan, Hindi, Bengali, English, and Sanskrit. He got his  degree in English from the University with a minor in Sanskrit. I lived  with Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj  in the same room for nearly 3 years. He  translated Srila Prabhupadas <em>Bhagavad Gita </em>with the greatest  love and devotion and attention for detail. Because of His vast command  of languages He was able to notice little details that others may have  overlooked. One thing that was a cause of great transcendental concern  for Him was the fact that when Srila Prabhupada translated a word from  Sanskrit to English it would not be the same if Srila Gour Govinda  Maharaj translated the Sanskrit word directly to Oriya. In other words  the English word that Srila Prbhupada used to explain the Sanskrit word  had an entirely different meaning than the Oriya word that would  normally be used as a translation of this same Sanskrit word.  Srila  Gour Govinda Maharaj was concerned that in translating the literal  English into Oriya that many Pandits and Scholars would complain that  this was not an accurate translation.</p>
<p>Since Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj did not want to change one single  word of His beloved Spiritual Masters books but at the same time be able  to defend the scholarships of His Guru Maharaj beyond the shadow of a  doubt, He devised a plan for writing down all of the so called  contradictions in a list until he completed the entire work. Srila Gour  Govinda Maharaj then went to a little village to see the now retired  Sanskrit professor who had taught Him Sanskrit in college. This man was  considered one of the foremost authorities on the Sanskrit Language in  India having one of the largest personal libraries on the subject,  including one of the best collections of Sanskrit to English  Dictionaries. Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj knew that this scholars grasp  of Sanskrit to English translation would provide him with the evidence  he needed to prove the authority of Srila Prabhupada’s work.</p>
<p>After about ten days Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj returned to the  little mud hut that we lived in with the Sanskrit professor in tow. The  Sanskrit professor introduced himself (I apologize but unfortunately I  cannot remember his name) and began glorifying His Divine Grace Srila  Prabhupada’s masterful translation work. The Professor told me that he  started studying Sanskrit when he was five years old, now in his late  70’s he had been studying the language for over 70 years. He told me how  on the first review of his dictionaries he could not find the  translations that Srila Prbhupada had made from Sanskrit to English, but  he said that Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj kept encouraging him to keep  looking, assuring him that he would find the translation if he looked  long and hard enough. The professor said he would have given up if it  were not for Srila Gour Govinda Maharajs insistence that His Guru  Maharaj had been accurate and that if he looked hard enough he would  find it. Then the professor told me that he found each and every  translation that Srila Prbhupada had made. <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">The  professor told me that these translations that your Guru has made are  the most obscure and brilliant explanations of these words from Sanskrit  to English that he had ever seen. The professor admitted that with all  of his education and training he could not have thought of these obscure  and brilliant meanings that so perfectly expressed the inner truths of  the mysteries of the <em>Bhagavad Gita</em>. The professor then said  having seen this translation work of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada  he was convinced that Srila Prabhupada was the greatest Sanskrit scholar  in the history of civilization and must have been directly enlightened  by the Supreme Lord Krishna to accomplish this work. </span></strong></p>
<p>There is so much to learn from this pastime. The first thing of  course is that no one is qualified to edit one single word of Srila  Prabhupada’s books period! Unless he is on the same level as His Divine  Grace Srila Prabhupada and since it is pretty obvious Jayadwaita is not  then <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">he should leave the books alone!</span></strong></p>
<p>Now some may say how do we know he is not and the answer to that is  the second important lesson that we learn from this pastime. Unlike  Jayadwaita who has changed the words of his Spiritual masters books in  order to meet with the approval of scholars and professors. The pure  devotional attitude of Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj was to elevate the  professor by engaging him in devotional service and then bring him up to  a spiritual platform so that he could get the mercy of Srila  Prabhupada. Instead of acting like and editor and scholar Srila Gour  Govinda Maharaj teaches us how to protect and defend the honor of the  Spiritual Master through His Pure Devotional mood.</p>
<p>Jayadwaita’s erasing the words of our Divine Master Srila Prbbhupada  and replacing them with his mental speculations reminds me of the story  when the Mayavadi scratched out the name of Krishna in the book and  replaced it with the word Brahman. Krishna eventually appears before him  with scratches on His face the Mayavadi realizes his folly and  surrenders to the Lord. Srila Prabhupada’s books are his transcendental  body how much longer are we going to sit back and let his books be  abused. If Srila Prabhupada were here and some one was abusing him would  we stand by idly and watch it happen! NO! Why do we continue to allow  Jayawaita to abuse our Spiritual Masters books. Can we not stand up in  the pure Devotional mood of Srila Gour Govinda Maharaj and defend the  Honor of our Spiritual Master.</p>
<p>Let us all work together to restore Srila Prabhupada’s books to their  pristine and uncontaminated glory. Then let us distribute those books  again and preach the pure devotional service of the Lord to the innocent  masses yearning to be free of the shackles of maya. Let us enter the  arena of the material world proclaiming the Glories of the Lord with the  absolute conviction that we can only benefit everyone we meet with the  highest good. If any demoniac persons try to stop us then we should  proudly proclaim like the Christians of old being attacked by the lions  in the Roman coliseum that we are the servants of the Lord and our  spiritual master and we are fearless.</p>
<p>Your most worthless servant</p>
<p>Bhagavat Das</p>
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